Report of Motor Neuron Disease After HPV Vaccine

Urrgh, I hate it when people hack into posts without a thought for context or meaning. Ignoring hard facts is pig-ignorant. Head in the sand behaviour if you will.

Frankly you've got to admit I have a point. Imagine someone being faced with the total amount of research that PROVES immunisation works, is beneficial and is necessary, being shown the physical evidence, seeing what happens in countries with no formal immunisation program, and they STILL claim that they know better because they read this article on the internet that said someone got really sick - but the research was either non-existent, flawed, anecdotal, biased and provided by people who really have no clue as to what they are talking about...would you try to claim that this person was clever? Bright? Well-informed?

You could try, but frankly you'd be onto a lost cause, because whilst you were making your case, your client would be making themselves a very fetching hat out of tin-foil because 'it stops them reading your brain thoughts'.

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Right, back to the original topic - Rudy, have you read the full article, or just the snippet on the infowars website? Because (as I am sure you know) the infowars page has very little in the way of information on it. I'm sure that's ironic. Or something.

Anyway...I did read the full article. I'm nice like that.

I quote (and I've marked the points that you *should* be paying the most attention to, if you want any research or evidence you quote to hold water)

It is the same question that researchers asked in a recent issue of Multiple Sclerosis (2009;15:116–119). Ian Sutton, MD, from St. Vincent's Hospital in New South Wales, Australia, and his team reported 5 cases of multiple sclerosis after vaccination with the drug. The group reported in January that patients presented with multifocal or atypical demyelinating syndromes within 21 days of immunization.

No definitive conclusions can be made based on this report, Dr. Sutton and his team noted. "It should not be overlooked that several epidemiological studies indicate that viral infection is associated with a threefold increase in the risk of a multiple sclerosis relapse," write the researchers.

Lead investigator of the second group presenting on this topic said that he agrees that postmarketing pharmacosurveillance is necessary to improve safety. "(Human papillomavirus) vaccines elicit a strong inflammatory systemic immune response," said Til Menge, MD, from Heinrich-Heine University in Düsseldorf, Germany.

His group suggests that it was this inflammatory response that may have triggered a case of fulminant neuromyelitis optica in a previously healthy 17-year-old girl.

Investigators have not established a causal relationship, but they are asking clinicians to closely monitor patients for any emerging side effects.

The research wasn't clear enough, we have no idea on how they have quantified their findings, there's no indication as to whether there is a control group, whether they have anything other than a coincidental effect - in other words, it's a theory at best. One that will be monitored I have no doubt, but there is simply not enough evidence to suggest we risk our daughter's lives by refusing to protect them from a known, fatal risk such as cervical cancer.

Or, to put it a little more bluntly...

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Wiccabasket wrote:

Amymama wrote:

Wiccabasket wrote:Oh I really don't need to point it out. Your selfishness could harm your children.

Maybe you're the one being selfish. I'll tell you like I told that other person up there. DO NOT come here and tell me how to raise my children and what is best for them. My husband is a PA/PARAMEDIC and he has seen with his own eyes what vaccines have done to perfectly healthy children. You only know what you think you know. You are not a professional.

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With the greatest respect, neither is your husband, or he'd be pointing you in the direction of all the medical and scientific evidence that proves my point.

Would you smoke whilst pregnant? Take illegal drugs? Drink alcohol? I doubt it. So why take irresponsible risks the way you are doing?

I'm sorry. I don't get it - you claim I know nothing because I'm not a professional, but then you claim your husband knows more because he is a paramedic? Surely your husband will tell you of the birth defects a simple disease like Rubella can cause? He must know that the benefits of immunisation massively outweigh any potential risks involved - and let's face it Amymama, the only reason you are scared of immunisation is because you have this half-baked idea in your head that it is somehow a government conspiracy to control you and your family.

It's sad, and not a little scary to see this level of paranoia in a supposedly intelligent human being.

I said my husband is a PA AND PARAMEDIC. A PA is a Physicians assistant. He obviously knows way more than you do about anything that pertains to medical issues. But thanks again for once more trying to sound professional.. just proves my point.

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Amymama wrote:

Wiccabasket wrote:

Amymama wrote:

Wiccabasket wrote:Oh I really don't need to point it out. Your selfishness could harm your children.

Maybe you're the one being selfish. I'll tell you like I told that other person up there. DO NOT come here and tell me how to raise my children and what is best for them. My husband is a PA/PARAMEDIC and he has seen with his own eyes what vaccines have done to perfectly healthy children. You only know what you think you know. You are not a professional.

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With the greatest respect, neither is your husband, or he'd be pointing you in the direction of all the medical and scientific evidence that proves my point.

Would you smoke whilst pregnant? Take illegal drugs? Drink alcohol? I doubt it. So why take irresponsible risks the way you are doing?

I'm sorry. I don't get it - you claim I know nothing because I'm not a professional, but then you claim your husband knows more because he is a paramedic? Surely your husband will tell you of the birth defects a simple disease like Rubella can cause? He must know that the benefits of immunisation massively outweigh any potential risks involved - and let's face it Amymama, the only reason you are scared of immunisation is because you have this half-baked idea in your head that it is somehow a government conspiracy to control you and your family.

It's sad, and not a little scary to see this level of paranoia in a supposedly intelligent human being.

I said my husband is a PA AND PARAMEDIC. A PA is a Physicians assistant. He obviously knows way more than you do about anything that pertains to medical issues. But thanks again for once more trying to sound professional.. just proves my point.

Have you asked him about Congenital Rubella Syndrome then? Or indeed anything at all?

You see, he's a PA/Paramedic. He's not a doctor, he's not a biochemist, he's not an immunologist. He's probably a very good PA/Paramedic, and brilliant to have around in an emergency. Mr Wiccabasket is a nurse - a highly trained one at that. He's been looking after me whilst I've been laid up with swine flu (would you believe the day before I am due to book my shot, I get sick? Soooo unfair). He can refer you to some allergic reactions to medication that he has treated (he works in ITU so he sees the really severe ones), but if you want cold hard facts, he refers you to the experts - and I hate to break it to you honey, but the experts are a little bit more qualified than Paramedics, Nurses or Nurse Practitioners (which is English for Physician's Assistant).

This is why I am quite happy to read their research, know and understand what I am looking for in their evidence, and when it comes down to it - trust that they are doing their jobs properly, because I know I sure as hell am not qualified enough to say to them 'NO you're wrong because I saw on the internet that your vaccination will cause LASERS to burst out of my CHILD'S EYES'.

Just read that last sentence out loud. Ridiculous, no? Yet this is how your arguments against immunisation sound.

We have immunisation programs in place to protect our children, and the vulnerable members of our society against diseases that kill or permanently disable them. If you really believe your government would do something to control you, surely you are looking in the wrong place? McDonalds food might be a better bet, or corn syrup. Or Coca-Cola. Or any number of foodstuffs you consume, the clothes you wear, the cars you drive, the water you drink...how can you live with this level of fear? It's ridiculous.

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We know what's best for our children.. Please go worry about your own kid and don't concern yourself with my affairs.
My children are excellent and in perfect health and i know over 12 different people that have never had a vaccination in their lives and they are healthy adults.
I will stick to what I believe and there ain't nothin you're going to do to change that.

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*slow claps*

Good luck with that.

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lol@slow claps

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