Afterlife..

Hi Micha, yeah it didn't start happening until I was well into practising and I so stopped it thinking I could also probably attract evil towards me and my family but when I got back into it, it didn't....My Reiki is filled with love and I strongly protect myself before each session.... I learned to just let things come and go, I don't hang onto them......it doesn't happen with all people I work with but I do have a strong sense now of our loved ones being there on another dimension...... I simply accept it. Many people are sceptic but I have seen grown 'hard' men who were sceptic cry unbelievably when I have passed on messages.......

For those of you not familiar with Reiki, it is not associated with any religion, it is a universal form of energy healing.....

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rojerio wrote:
.......John Edwards...Colin Fry....???????? Charlatans and phonies, Maria...! I mean, c'mon......!

I'm not sure about John Edwards but with regards to Colin Fry, I am sure he is genuine.....
A good friend and colleague of mine trained professionally as a counsellor with him and through that time period over a few years learned that Colin had started having this ability also......he struggled with it also before letting it become his main job......I think it is too easy to make judgements if you have never had a personal experience of this......

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Hi Maria

I think it's lovely what you do. Something very odd happened to me which involved a dead woman who had committed suicide (she was bipolar) and her fiance who could not get over her death. I had to give him a message from her. I was a computer programmer and a logical person, so this really scared the hell out of me.

It was so awkward and put me in a terribly difficult situation, I still shudder when I think of it. It's a long time ago though. And computers were a lot safer :)

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Maria wrote:

rojerio wrote:
.......John Edwards...Colin Fry....???????? Charlatans and phonies, Maria...! I mean, c'mon......!

I'm not sure about John Edwards but with regards to Colin Fry, I am sure he is genuine.....
A good friend and colleague of mine trained professionally as a counsellor with him and through that time period over a few years learned that Colin had started having this ability also......he struggled with it also before letting it become his main job......I think it is too easy to make judgements if you have never had a personal experience of this......

...nobody is making judgements.....their actions speak for themselves and they are complete phonys and charlatans in my opinion.....

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A quote from one of your earlier comments:

pamplemus wrote:perhaps you find the glowing tribute of cowering men turned to whimpering mush as more complimentary than i would shalimar. i further do not think that the general consensus that nontheists abandon their convictions in time of peril is proven or provable. i do know that a good portion of religionists abandon their belief in god as a result of the effects of war. perhaps it is easier to say that war effects all men strongly, than to say that any one group abandons their beliefs. how would it sound if one were to say "all blacks cower in fear when danger strikes, and cry out for mercy to god" or "the vast majority of previously devout muslims turn to christ when they hear gunfire"?

Could I ask you something? Why, in your rather hard-hitting replies, would you consider a soldier turning to God in the foxholes to be that of "whimpering mush (to paraphrase you here)?

It seems to me that you might have a problem actually considering that there were soldiers who did exactly that. In the context on which you posted this response no-one actually stated that either "all" or "a lot" of soldiers turned to God; all that was said was there where those who did.

I can speak of this with experience of a guy I knew over thirty years ago; atheist all his life, stuck in the trenches on the front line with no way forward and nowhere to retreat as the shells fell around him; day after day, night after night. Is it beyond the realms of believability that an atheist can actually fall to his knees and cry out to God? The guy I knew did just that, and he told me many a tearful story of his time in WWII. He also became a Christian at that point and remained so the rest of his life.

No-one suggested that atheist "abandon their convictions", but rather someone posted that there were those who did. You cannot dispel that as a myth ... at the same time, you are the only one who suggests this to be a consensus rather than an actuality of an individual.

Why do you consider an atheist soldier, in battle, to "abandon their values" should they bend the knee? What are the "values" of an atheist soldier should he suddenly feel there is a God over that of a Christian soldier? Should an atheist *never* change his/her beliefs, as you seem to imply? What is your problem with this issue?

~F~

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....sorry essfran.....let me remind you that anecdotes like you posted do not prove a dang thing in an argument...

...."you can speak of this with experience of a guy you knew 30 years ago?"......c'mon essfran you can do better than that......the problem with this issue is not pamp, but your inability to comprehend the context of his post......a person who cannot do this usually tries to make a point by resorting to anecdotes which don't cut it.....

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Oh please; no need to apologise.

rojerio wrote:....sorry essfran.....let me remind you that anecdotes like you posted do not prove a dang thing in an argument...

...."you can speak of this with experience of a guy you knew 30 years ago?"......c'mon essfran you can do better than that......the problem with this issue is not pamp, but your inability to comprehend the context of his post......a person who cannot do this usually tries to make a point by resorting to anecdotes which don't cut it.....

Do we read the same dictionary?

The last thing I wanted to do was to be anecdotal. My thoughts on what you said were based on the facts of a man I knew; one man. Does that mean I should close my mind to one mans experience and say that it accounts for nothing? There is nothing anecdotal in what I spoke of there. The problem you have in accepting what is a fact of a happening in the experience of someone else in the context of what I said, in effect, is your problem and not mine.

And you said: "the problem with this issue is not pamp, but your inability to comprehend the context of his post......a person who cannot do this usually tries to make a point by resorting to anecdotes which don't cut it."

You piffle a lot. The context of my response was to that of a guy who spoke of atheist calling out to God, I spoke of one particular guy I knew who did just that, and like the guy you responded to you respond to me in a likewise manner. The fact I can speak from actually speaking with the guy who called out to God accounts for nothing, in your eyes. And then you accuse me of being anecdotal?

Seeing that you quote "general consensus" totally out of concept in what was said here and to what you answered shows that you are being quite manipulative in your own beliefs and professing to put some stamp of authority on yourself; actually, you are a pretty dab-hand at anecdotal reference, and that holds no authority whatsoever other than your staunch opinion that cannot bend; notice how I say "cannot" and not "will not".

After saying which; you far from cut anything.

~F~

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I think the Bible is correct and that there is an afterlife. I think saved people go to Heaven and people who reject salvation through Christ go to Hell. I think those who have never heard the name of Jesus or of His saving grace will be held accountable to the light that they have been given in their conscience and how they responded to that light.

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I think the Bible is correct and that there is an afterlife. I think saved people go to Heaven and people who reject salvation through Christ go to Hell. I think those who have never heard the name of Jesus or of His saving grace will be held accountable to the light that they have been given in their conscience and how they responded to that light.

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Such a comforting belief and posted twice even. Let's hope you are saved enough to make it into your heaven then....

Or are you posting it in the belief you are alright, Jack, because you think you are saved already because you believe in Jesus?

Just wondering....

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MichaSpurling wrote:Such a comforting belief and posted twice even. Let's hope you are saved enough to make it into your heaven then....

Or are you posting it in the belief you are alright, Jack, because you think you are saved already because you believe in Jesus?

Just wondering....

Yes, I believe I am saved. I believe I will go to Heaven when I die. I believe this because the bible tells me that those who trust in the saving substitionary atonement that Jesus provided on the cross is sufficient payment for all sin of all humankind for all time. The bible furthermore makes it clear that if we accept Jesus into our heart now, that we have eternal life now. We can know before we die where we will spend eternity. This is not being boastful, it is simply accepting what the bible says.

One thing is certain. Jesus is very, very, very, very narrow. He said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father but by Me." This leaves out ALL other ways to salvation. It leaves out Mohammed, Buddah, Krishna, and Reverend Moon. It leaves ONLY the Son.

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I agree ^^^

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essentially_frankie wrote:Oh please; no need to apologise.

rojerio wrote:....sorry essfran.....let me remind you that anecdotes like you posted do not prove a dang thing in an argument...

...."you can speak of this with experience of a guy you knew 30 years ago?"......c'mon essfran you can do better than that......the problem with this issue is not pamp, but your inability to comprehend the context of his post......a person who cannot do this usually tries to make a point by resorting to anecdotes which don't cut it.....

Do we read the same dictionary?

The last thing I wanted to do was to be anecdotal. My thoughts on what you said were based on the facts of a man I knew; one man. Does that mean I should close my mind to one mans experience and say that it accounts for nothing? There is nothing anecdotal in what I spoke of there. The problem you have in accepting what is a fact of a happening in the experience of someone else in the context of what I said, in effect, is your problem and not mine.

And you said: "the problem with this issue is not pamp, but your inability to comprehend the context of his post......a person who cannot do this usually tries to make a point by resorting to anecdotes which don't cut it."

You piffle a lot. The context of my response was to that of a guy who spoke of atheist calling out to God, I spoke of one particular guy I knew who did just that, and like the guy you responded to you respond to me in a likewise manner. The fact I can speak from actually speaking with the guy who called out to God accounts for nothing, in your eyes. And then you accuse me of being anecdotal?

Seeing that you quote "general consensus" totally out of concept in what was said here and to what you answered shows that you are being quite manipulative in your own beliefs and professing to put some stamp of authority on yourself; actually, you are a pretty dab-hand at anecdotal reference, and that holds no authority whatsoever other than your staunch opinion that cannot bend; notice how I say "cannot" and not "will not".

After saying which; you far from cut anything.

~F~

....that's my job....!

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