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Posted by AttezoGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 2:16 PM
"'When a man has an emission of semen, he must bathe his whole body with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Any clothing or leather that has semen on it must be washed with water, and it will be unclean till evening. When a man lies with a woman and there is an emission of semen, both must bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening. (Lev 15:16-18)
So masturbation and sex are not a sin?
Just go have a bath...?
That simple?
:D wow. (lol)
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Reply by NovellaGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 2:17 PM
Novella 's soundcard has officially died... :( so sad. (crush chat 2nite)LOL Tezz....
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 5:01 PM
well, that's what it says no???
or i misunderstood?
:|
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Reply by missmelissa23GOLD on October 7, 2008 at 5:27 PM
i don't have the slightest idea...i'd have to look into it
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Reply by ladylikepsychGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 5:46 PM
Leviticus is in the Old Testament......
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 5:48 PM
which means?
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 5:49 PM
that....
we should ignore levictus from the bible?
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Reply by ladylikepsychGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 5:50 PM
the old testament helps us understand the new testament....but the old testament is a bit archaic.....
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Reply by ladylikepsychGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 5:51 PM
not saying it is unimportant....
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Reply by ladylikepsychGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 5:53 PM
anything in the new testament about it?
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Reply by MoniqueGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 5:53 PM
Tez, "emissions" also happen involuntarily, even while a man is sleeping, so that is not necessarily talking about masturbation.
Sex is not a sin. Why would you think that?
That IS old Testament and was a rule of that time (tho Muslims still do bathe after sex.... I have that on good authority. ) :)
There are a lot of rules set down in the Bible that are notnecessarily from God. They are just the custom of the time and the Bible has recorded those customs.
Interesting question tho.
:)
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 5:53 PM
I don't understand.
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 5:56 PM
Therefore what levictus says, is not true? hmm.
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 5:57 PM
Outside the marriage is? or i'm wrong?
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Reply by ladylikepsychGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 5:59 PM
it was a truth at that time........
as was sacrificial offerings............
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 6:01 PM
Truth doesn't change for God. Either is right from beginning or not. Otherwise i start to believe that the bible is human written according to what THEY believed at that time and that with time they change only what they like.
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 6:04 PM
Body needs are involuntary and natural that the body needs for release. What would be 'wrong' (maybe? ) is if it becomes an addiction.
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Reply by ladylikepsychGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 6:07 PM
The bible was written by humans...
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 6:08 PM
humans inspired by God...
therefore why change it?
If change occurs, why the bible doesn't update itself with what is the reality today?
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Reply by ladylikepsychGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 6:11 PM
Christ came.........which is why we have a new testament
(at least that is my understanding of it...I could be wrong)
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Reply by spenningtonGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 6:11 PM
spennington drift off to dream in my arms.The only thing I know Attezo, is what I was once told by my former preacher. The Old Testament was the Book of Law and that because none of us could ever live up to all of the laws in there, Jesus came and died for our sins, and because of his death, we are now under Grace, and therefore, not all of the laws apply, though the Ten Commandments still do.
Hope that helps.
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Reply by spenningtonGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 6:13 PM
spennington drift off to dream in my arms.I think, and it is just my opinion, because all of the things contained in the New Testament have not come to fruition yet. There is still prophecy to be fulfilled, while in the Old Testament, the propehecies have already occurred.
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 6:16 PM
I was told masturbation is a sin.
But i am rational , and even medics say that it is a body need. Infact most priests died due to cancer prostate because they didn't practice it. They went against their nature.
They should know it better than all since they are priests. What example they are?
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Reply by ladylikepsychGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 6:18 PM
they take a vow of celibacy? they are married to the church? and maybe if they do not know what they are missing.....they will be less tempted to go against their vows?
I dunno why........just my best guesses
is it really a sin.....or just a misinterpretation?
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 6:19 PM
Which laws then apply? You realise the world of today is not the same of 2000 years ago?
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 6:21 PM
I heard it is a sin few years ago, not sure if in a religion class or from a priest.
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Reply by ladylikepsychGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 6:28 PM
well...it might be true if you take a vow of celibacy.....
i just don't know if that is applicable to all?
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 6:30 PM
To all.
because at the time i remember saying myself: this is impossible! lol
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Reply by ladylikepsychGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 6:34 PM
well...what spen said makes sense to me...about humans not being able to live up to the expectations set forth in the old testament....
the 10 commandments stick....but I am not sure about the masturbation thing.......
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Reply by missmelissa23GOLD on October 7, 2008 at 6:35 PM
yeah, the bible is not too clear about it.
It really depends on who you talk to about it
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 6:36 PM
10 commandments don't cover everything....
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Reply by ladylikepsychGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 6:38 PM
but it does cover a lot
the beatitudes cover a lot too (loosely speaking)
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 6:39 PM
many sites and religious ones too say it is a sin.
Doesn't make sense at all lol
what a joke.
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Reply by ladylikepsychGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 6:41 PM
It doesn't make sense really....lot of shades of gray
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 6:45 PM
"masturbation is almost inevitably associated with sexual fantasies and this is where it can go wrong and lead to sin."
:|
that's how it works we are not robots.
some aspects of religion are ridiculous.
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 6:50 PM
"Judah got a wife for Er, his firstborn, and her name was Tamar. But Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the Lord's sight; so the LORD put him to death. Then Judah said to Onan, "Lie with your brother's wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother." But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the Lord's sight; so he put him to death also." (Genesis 38:6-10)
weird :|
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 6:53 PM
:( God kills?
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Reply by ladylikepsychGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 6:53 PM
that was in the first testament too..........
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 6:54 PM
is this the bible? or i am misinterpreting. This sounds all weird to me :|
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Reply by ladylikepsychGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 6:54 PM
the new testament though...is different
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 6:54 PM
well it's genesis....
there are important things in genesis such as God the creator.
we ignore them too?
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 6:55 PM
old, new, modern........isn't the same God?
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Reply by ladylikepsychGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 7:02 PM
yes....same God....but he sent his son to die for our sins....
he loves us and wants us to obey, but knows we are weak at times too and that we are not perfect
edited as my typing is FAR from perfect
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Reply by spenningtonGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 7:04 PM
spennington drift off to dream in my arms.Yes Attezo, still the same God, but God can not look upon sin and therefore, in the days of the Old Testament, we had to follow all of the laws because if not, no one could go to heaven, then Jesus came and died for all of our sins (past, present and future), therefore, when we ask forgiveness through Jesus, God can "communicate" with us and forgive us, that is why people say, In Jesus name, we pray, amen.
The laws that I was talking about that we have to follow are the Ten Commandments and please listen to the others here before me, because I am sure they know ALOT more about the Bible than I do, as I have not studied it like I should.
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 7:05 PM
Not sure how that answers my question-lady :p
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Reply by spenningtonGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 7:07 PM
spennington drift off to dream in my arms.The way I PERSONALLY would interpret that is that he did not follow through with his duty to God and family, so to speak and that is why he was punished. Because he did not do what he was supposed to do not because his seed was spilled on the ground.
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 7:07 PM
"so he put him to death also." (Genesis 38:6-10)"
fact or fiction? Did God really do that?
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 7:08 PM
therefore God kills? :(
Sorry, i don't believe in a punishing killer God.
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Reply by ladylikepsychGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 7:08 PM
I am definitely not an authority on the bible.
and I don't know if I can answer your question in the way it deserves to be answered.......I can only offer what little I think I know.
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 7:09 PM
a killer God, would go against His own rules? i mean come on. lol
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 7, 2008 at 7:09 PM
and i appreciate that.
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