Mormons are Christians, too.

my opinion......... a Christian is one who accepts Jesus Christ as their personal savior.. that God sent his son to die on the cross for our sins..... that believes when we die we will have everlasting life.... because God promises that... I was raised a Baptist... and we believe in baptism as an act of faith... we are baptised in the name of Jesus, our father, and holy ghost...( we do believe in the trinity) i cant explain it ....

i do know that i have a best friend who was raised morman. I worried at one time bout the morman belief... but then i really dont understand it in full.... we were shown a film at our church bout mormans believing in gods in plural... and how they were all saints at one time.... i dont understand it and dont feel i could judge anyone.....we were told as a church that mormans take scripture out of context and makes their own rules..and how they have their own bible..... ...

I feel like everyone has a right to their beliefs... i dont agree with all but its not my place to judge. ....

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if all mormons are christians then all christians are mormons. nuff said.

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now michael you know better than that..... hmmmmmm

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justme4now wrote:my opinion......... a Christian is one who accepts Jesus Christ as their personal savior.. that God sent his son to die on the cross for our sins..... that believes when we die we will have everlasting life.... because God promises that

That is also my understanding of Christianity as well. I also believe that Christianity is set apart from religion. Christianity being a personal relationship with God our Heavenly Father and Jesus our savior. Religion being the rites and activities involved with organized religious unity.

I know this is confusing to many since Christianity is technically a religion. But anyone can go to church and walk through the motions w/o having Jesus in their heart. This is not to say I am not in favor of church. Church can also be a beautiful experience. But it is even more fulfilling when your heart blends with your actions.

As for the Mormon faith, I don't know enough about it to comment.

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What exactly is the salvation plan that signifies a mormon to be " Christian"? In other words what does a mormon have to do to become a "Christian"?

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I don't want to read a link, I wanted your personal statement.

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Its okay Ari I actually found my own answer :

Clearly there is only one way to receive salvation and that is to know God and His Son, Jesus (John 17:3). It is not done by works, but by faith (Romans 1:17, 3:28). When we have this faith, we will automatically be obedient to God's laws and become baptized out of love for Him, but not because it is a requirement for salvation. We can receive this gift no matter who we are or what we have done (Romans 3:22). “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). Although Mormons are usually friendly, loving, and kind people, they are deceived by a false religion that distorts the nature of God, the Person of Jesus Christ, and the means of salvation.

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I did not want to read from the mormon.org link that's all, I figured you would have directed me there anyways so I got impatient. I like to test all things through scripture in the bible, although I don't know the direct verses so I have to go to go on a little hunt. It is good for a Christian to educate themselves in all "religions", so I take every opportunity. With all that said, everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and I hold no judgements just curious is all;)

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Mormonism and the Negro: A look at their historical position
According to Mormon history and authoritative Mormon teachers, the Negro, as they were referred to, are a cursed race because they were not faithful to God in their first estate (the pre-existent life with God). Hence, when they are born they are born in black skinned families.

The early Mormon church was highly prejudicial against black people. And though there has been a change in attitude to blacks as of June 9, 1978 when they were finally allowed into the Mormon priesthood, it cannot be denied that Mormonism was, up until very recently, a segregated church.

Please consider the following small sample of official Mormon writings as proof of their prejudice, their inconsistency, their doctrinal waffling, their yielding to political pressure, and their failure to truly represent Christ on earth.

"At the time the devil was cast out of heaven, there were some spirits that did not know who had authority, whether God or the devil. They consequently did not take a very active part on either side, but rather thought the devil had been abused, and considered he had rather the best claim to the government. These spirits were not considered bad enough to be cast down to hell, and never have bodies; neither were they considered worthy of an honorable body on this earth." (A speech by Elder Orson Hyde, delivered before the High Priests' Quorum, in Nauvoo, April 27th, 1845, printed in Liverpool, p. 30).
"The very fact that God would allow those spirits who were less worthy in the spirit world to partake of a mortal body at all is further evidence of his mercy," (Mormonism and the Negro, part I, p. 48-50).
"It is the Mormon belief that in our pre-mortal state there were a large number of individuals who, due to some act or behavior of their own in the pre-existence, forfeited the right to hold the Priesthood during their mortal lives...the Negro is thus denied the Priesthood because of his own behavior in the pre-existence," (The Church and the Negro, p. 42-43).
"As a result of his rebellion, Cain was cursed and told that "the earth" would not thereafter yield him its abundance as previously. In addition he became the first mortal to be cursed as a son of perdition...The Lord placed on Cain a mark of a dark skin, and he became the ancestor of the black race. (Moses 5; Gen. 4; Teachings, p. 169)." (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, p. 109.)
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 10, p. 110).
The reader should be reminded that Brigham Young, the second prophet of the Mormon church said that whatever he preached was as good as scripture (Journal of Discourses, vol. 13, p. 95, 264).
"...the church went to court on several occasions to block Negroes from moving into the San Francisco neighborhood in which the headquarters was located," (The Christian Century, Sept. 29, 1965, p. 1184).
On Oct. 28, 1865, the Mormon Church paper Millennial Star printed an article which stated that "Mormonism is that kind of religion the entire divinity of which is invalidated, and its truth utterly rejected, the moment that any one of its leading principles I acknowledged to be false..."
The Mormon write John J. Stewart stated: "If we as members of the Church are going to pick and choose among the Prophet's teachings, and say ï'this one is of God, we can accept it, but this one is of man, we will reject that,' then we are undermining the whole structure of our faith..." (Mormonism and the Negro, p. 19).
"The prophets have declared that there are at least two major stipulations that have to be met before the Negroes will be allowed to possess the Priesthood. The first requirement relates to time. The Negroes will not be allowed to hold the Priesthood during mortality, in fact, not until after the resurrection of all of Adam's children. The other stipulation requires that Abel's seed receive the first opportunity of having the priesthood....the last of Adam's children will not be resurrected until the end of the millennium. Therefore, the Negroes will not receive the Priesthood until after that time... this will not happen until after the thousand years of Christ's reign on earth," (The Church and the Negro, 1967, p. 45-48).
Albert B. Fritz, NAACP branch president, said at a civil rights meeting Friday night that his organization promised not to picket the 133rd Semi-Annual General Conference of the Church on Temple Square. He added, however, that the NAACP will picket Temple Square, next Saturday if the Church does not present an 'acceptable' statement on civil rights before that day," (Deseret News, Oct. 5, 1963).
"Some 3,000 students, led by the BSU, paraded peacefully on the school's campus in Seattle Monday over the issue of alleged racism at BYU," (Deseret News, March 10, 1970).
"The demonstration was the latest in a series of protests against The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon) because the church bars Negroes from its priesthood," (Deseret News, Jan. 10, 1970).
In June of 1978 the Mormon church officiated a "revelation" stating that blacks could then hold the priesthood.
The Bible says that God is not a respecter of persons, but the Mormon church is: First in its prejudice of the blacks for being black, and second in its succumbing to political and social pressure to change its doctrinal views. Is such a church really from God?

I am greatly indebted to the book Mormonism Shadow or Reality by Jerald and Sandra Tanner for the sources cited above.

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"Jerald and Sandra Tanner are well known apostates." I don't know this for a fact, but i am assuming that this factoid will be posted soon so I thought I'd save somebody the trouble.

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As a born again Christian, raised Mormon, I can tell you that Mormons are not Christians. Mormons believe in a different Christ who came to North America after his ressurection. Also they don't believe that we are saved through Christs' sacrifice on the cross. They believe they have to do a lot of works and "temple covenants" in order to be saved. Just because someone says they believe in Christ does that make them a Christian? The devil believes in Christ, right?

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who cares if these famous people are Mormons? Do we idolize celebrities as Christians? No! we don't. Aren't there famous atheists or famous devil worshippers? Does that sway my beliefs? No way!

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Arizonagal wrote:

singinmum wrote:As a born again Christian, raised Mormon, I can tell you that Mormons are not Christians. Mormons believe in a different Christ who came to North America after his ressurection. Also they don't believe that we are saved through Christs' sacrifice on the cross. They believe they have to do a lot of works and "temple covenants" in order to be saved. Just because someone says they believe in Christ does that make them a Christian? The devil believes in Christ, right?

Mormons are Christians, too.
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How am I wrong in regards to mormonism arizonagal?

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Arizonagal wrote:Read the following, Ami...this is what I believe:

ARTICLES OF FAITH

Thirteen statements, written by the Prophet Joseph Smith, outlining some of the basic teachings and ordinances of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The basic beliefs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are summed up in 13 simple statements penned by Joseph Smith as a response to frequent queries on the teachings and doctrines of the Church. These statements are now known as the Articles of Faith of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

They are:

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.

2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.

3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.

5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.

6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.

7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.

8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.

10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon this the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.

11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.
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These beliefs all seem to add up to those of most Christian religions. Not all of these beliefs, but most.

Taking the basic definition tho.. a Christian is simply defined as "believing in Jesus as the son of God and the worshiping of Him as such".

I wonder why singling out and attacking a particular religion is so prominent on these boards.

And why it is allowed.

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Ari, you forgot the Osmonds!

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Yes, they are the most famous Mormons of all.

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i note a distinct lack of intellectuals listed in the mormon ranks of famous infamous mormons....

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yet more famous mormons...

Ted Bundy

He was attractive, smart, and had a future in politics. He was also one of the most prolific serial killers in U.S. history. Ted Bundy screamed his innocence until his death in the electric chair became imminent, then he tried to use his victims one more time to keep himself alive. His plan failed and the world got a glimpse of the true evil inside him. In late 1974 Bundy moved from Seattle to Salt Lake City, where he attended law school and became a Mormon convert.

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Arthur Gary Bishop
(1951-1988)
serial killer

Served a mission in the Philippines. In 1983, when questioned by police regarding the disappearance of a neighborhood boy he knew, he confessed to having killed him and four others. Alonzo Daniels was killed in 1979 at the age of four after being kidnapped from the courtyard of his apartment complex. Kim Peterson was killed in 1980 at the age of eleven after being lured into Bishop's house to sell roller skates. Danny Davis was killed in 1981 at the age of four after being kidnapped from a grocery store. Troy Ward was killed in 1983 at the age of six. Graeme Cunningham was also killed in 1983 at the age of thirteen. Arthur Gary Bishop was executed by the State of Utah by lethal injection

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Mark Hacking
murderer

Mark Hacking reported his wife missing on 19 Jul 2004. She was five weeks pregnant. Two weeks later, he was arrested when police found a witness to whom Mark had confessed that he had killed his wife in her sleep and dumped her body in the trash. Her body was found three months later (01 Oct 2004) in a Salt Lake landfill.

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Glenn Taylor Helzer
serial killer

He; his brother, Justin; and their roommate, Dawn Godman, killed five people in the San Francisco area during the summer of 2003. They conspired to fund a self-awareness program to bring "joy, peace and love" to the world by extorting money from Glenn's former clients. Godman plead guilty and agreed to testify against Justin in exchange for a sentence of 38 years. Justin claimed it was all his brother's idea, but he was convicted and sentenced to death in Aug 2004. Glenn pled guilty, and a jury recommended death on 17 Dec 2004. His defense attorney argued that he spent his boyhood as a Mormon surrounded by religious influences so outside the mainstream that acquaintances and family members made him believe God chose him as a prophet.

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HAHA...OMG...stop!

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Mark Hofmann
murderer and forger

He was raised in a "devout" LDS family. He served a full-time mission. He married in the Salt Lake Temple in 1979. He has four children. His most notorious forgery is known as the Salamander letter. It depicted Joseph Smith as a practitioner of folk magic, and related a very different account of how he obtained the Gold Plates. In 1985, he planted two bombs which killed Steven Christensen and Kathy Sheets. He was badly injured while transporting a third bomb. During the investigation, police discovered Hofmann's studio where he had created his forgeries and other incriminating evidence. He was arrested for the murders and forgery in February 1986. He pled guilty to lesser charges to avoid the death penalty, and was sentenced to life in prison.

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I wonder how many serial killers are atheists?

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I still can't understand why your so obsessed with dead people.

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