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Posted by j3n_n_ju1c3GOLD on October 11, 2008 at 3:00 PM
j3n_n_ju1c3 is happy :)I found this in a paper, thought it might be interesting to discuss...
Charles Darwin To Receive Apology From The Church of England For Rejecting Evolution
The Church of England will concede in a statement that it was over-defensive and over-emotional in dismissing Darwin's ideas. It will call "anti-evolutionary fervour" an "indictment" on the Church".
The bold move is certain to dismay sections of the Church that believe in creationism and regard Darwin's views as directly opposed to traditional Christian teaching.
The apology, which has been written by the Rev Dr Malcolm Brown, the Church's director of mission and public affairs, says that Christians, in their response to Darwin's theory of natural selection, repeated the mistakes they made in doubting Galileo's astronomy in the 17th century.
"The statement will read: Charles Darwin: 200 years from your birth, the Church of England owes you an apology for misunderstanding you and, by getting our first reaction wrong, encouraging others to misunderstand you still. We try to practise the old virtues of 'faith seeking understanding' and hope that makes some amends."
Opposition to evolutionary theories is still "a litmus test of faithfulness" for some Christian movements, the Church will admit. It will say that such attitudes owe much to a fear of perceived threats to Christianity.
The comments are included on a Church of England website promoting the views of Charles Darwin to be launched on Monday.
(link to article : I'm sorry, Darwin... )
To little to late? Renegade Reverend? About time? What's your thoughts?
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Reply by AmymamaGOLD on October 11, 2008 at 10:58 PM
I won't apologize.. ever. :(
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Reply by kmonster420GOLD on October 12, 2008 at 6:40 AM
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Reply by Sum_Southern_SugarGOLD on October 12, 2008 at 8:55 AM
Sum_Southern_Sugar jj's cup runeth overNever too late to admit a mistake. :-)
Galileo spent the last years of his life under arrest by The Catholic Church because he knew and stated that the earth WAS NOT the center of the universe, a fact that I would think absolutely no-one argues with today.
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 12, 2008 at 10:29 AM
I know when someone deeply believes something, it's hard...but what if it is possible? what if that's the truth? wouldn't that be an insult to God in no apologizing? ;)
Things that can make sense, personally, i view them as: 'yes possible' , even though there is no belief. I think it's a system that helps me 'psychologically' to be ready incase the truth or truths come out. :o)
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Reply by j3n_n_ju1c3GOLD on October 12, 2008 at 1:14 PM
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Reply by j3n_n_ju1c3GOLD on October 12, 2008 at 1:16 PM
j3n_n_ju1c3 is happy :)That might pees some ppl off :-s
Won't apologize ever?? Even if the church tells you that they might be wrong? What if the Pope himself came out and said " I think we were wrong about Darwin's theories, and I'm apologize."
Would you consider it then?
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Reply by AmymamaGOLD on October 12, 2008 at 4:16 PM
I don't listen to the church anymore. They have gone astray from the true gospel of Christ.(The apostate church of the New Age) I trust only what I feel in my spirit.
I will never consider apologizing to Darwin for believing that I was created in the image of God.
I don't believe that the image of God would resemble anything close to any type of animal.
We are above the animals and we are even above the angels.
According to the Holy Bible which I hold as truth.
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 12, 2008 at 4:31 PM
Amy,
you talk about 'hirarchy'- we are above animals and angels. Let's say there are aliens, and they are more intelligent than us. Does that mean that God prefers them more than us because they are more advanced? or, does God prefers us more than any 'life' that exists in the universe (assuming there is any)?
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Reply by j3n_n_ju1c3GOLD on October 12, 2008 at 5:06 PM
j3n_n_ju1c3 is happy :)lol, how did I know you would bring aliens into the conversation?
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Reply by j3n_n_ju1c3GOLD on October 12, 2008 at 5:09 PM
j3n_n_ju1c3 is happy :)Bible was written by Jesus' friends, way before Darwin's time... if it had said in the bible that The sun was not the center of the universe, which was later proved wrong by science... would you still believe that?
I'm not going to tromps on anyones beliefs in here, I'm just curious :)
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 12, 2008 at 5:09 PM
You know me too well :-)
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Reply by j3n_n_ju1c3GOLD on October 12, 2008 at 5:11 PM
j3n_n_ju1c3 is happy :)lol! :P
I'm a little afraid in here.. I'm not used to being in the beliefs folder... I need to find me a big strong protector in case someone wants to jump down my throat :-s
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 12, 2008 at 5:25 PM
down yer throat doesn't hurt.
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Reply by j3n_n_ju1c3GOLD on October 12, 2008 at 5:26 PM
j3n_n_ju1c3 is happy :)you would know???
Ohhh! Snap!! HAHAHAHHAAH!!!
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 12, 2008 at 5:29 PM
lmfao.
that's what i hear!!
:-|
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Reply by AttezoGOLD on October 12, 2008 at 5:29 PM
dang i messed up yer thread.
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Reply by j3n_n_ju1c3GOLD on October 12, 2008 at 5:32 PM
j3n_n_ju1c3 is happy :)lol!
dont worry.. I think half the ppl know we're inherently insane as it is...
ok, back on topic then... I wonder if they make those Darwin fishies in Bumper stickers.... I think they're cute
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Reply by Blaze909GOLD on October 13, 2008 at 4:18 PM
I don't think evolution is valid.
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Reply by kmonster420GOLD on October 14, 2008 at 5:58 PM
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Reply by tractorman on October 15, 2008 at 9:33 AM
I think evolution is valid....I think God knew he couldn't make Moses understand just how big a number 13.5 Billion is, so He used DAYS as we know them..if you think of it, just how big is a day to God? Our day revolves around the sun. Since God rules the entire Universe, what measure does He use?
And the earth was without form, and void;
after the 5th day God said
"Let us make man in our image, after our likeness;"
And God saw every thing that he had made, and behold, it was very good...
although this is the 6th day, how long was it really???
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Reply by j3n_n_ju1c3GOLD on October 15, 2008 at 3:07 PM
j3n_n_ju1c3 is happy :)maybe god started us from a fish and then worked us up to humans from there? How do we know? we weren't there...
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Reply by REALLYMADGOLD on October 17, 2008 at 12:36 PM
REALLYMAD is looking for his nose drops.Amy.
I am genuinely interested in your motivation in believing this so strongly. Can you tell us?
For instance, do you believe in the story of Noah's ark?
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Reply by kmonster420GOLD on October 17, 2008 at 4:50 PM
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Reply by Blaze909GOLD on October 17, 2008 at 4:50 PM
Well Kmonster,
I've done a little research in my time. It's an interesting theory (evolution), but in recent years the hypothesis (that is what it really is), is crumbling.
I don't feel like telling you or anyone else why it's crumbling. That is for you to figure out. You're intelligent.
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Reply by MichaSpurlingGOLD on October 19, 2008 at 4:42 PM
The whole world is based on cruelty, not just amongst people. Nature is full of horrendous cruelty based on the strongest surviving, eat or get eaten. If there was a God, a loving God, why would he/she design a world like this? I can't understand why people insist that God made the world when it's full of crap. I'd rather believe in evolution, hyothesis or not.
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Reply by j3n_n_ju1c3GOLD on October 19, 2008 at 5:31 PM
j3n_n_ju1c3 is happy :)you won't say anything cause you have no basis for that statement. gah, please...
it's not crumbling. in fact, the basis of evolution is getting stronger than ever. I would love to see some VERIFIABLE proof to your statement.
*smh*
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Reply by kmonster420GOLD on October 19, 2008 at 8:43 PM
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Reply by AlyKatGOLD on October 19, 2008 at 9:12 PM
as a science student I can assure you, the theory of evolution is not crumbling. lol I hate how this topic gets so mixed up. Evolution as a biological happening is fact. Evolution as the origin of life is just as valid/true as intelligent design/God as the origin of life. Evolution is a multi-dimensional word and I see it used out of context quite often...
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Reply by kmonster420GOLD on October 19, 2008 at 9:32 PM
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Reply by j3n_n_ju1c3GOLD on October 20, 2008 at 4:27 AM
j3n_n_ju1c3 is happy :)he should trying climbing a few rungs of the evolutionary ladder *giggles*
sorry, had to say it lol
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Reply by j3n_n_ju1c3GOLD on October 20, 2008 at 4:35 AM
j3n_n_ju1c3 is happy :)Well, I agree with you both. However--especially here in the beliefs folder-- we seem to be in thin minority.
I fail to see the belief behind statements like "Evolution is not valid", especially when they are not backed up by anything, even a nonsense theory, and just stated by someone as if we are to accept it just cause they said it. Which leads me back to my original question... I can stand here (or sit as it were) all day and say, "It is true! It is true!", but it won't make any difference on the structural beliefs of the Christian society. BUT, if the Church of England were to say it, does it make it any more true in the beliefs of Christians around the world? If such a thing was said higher up in the Roman hierarchy, would it make it more valid? If the Pope himself were to say the Church supported Darwin's theories, should it be more widely accepted in the Christian community? Where is the line drawn?
*edit: cause my typing ain't for crap this late at night lol *
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Reply by kmonster420GOLD on October 20, 2008 at 7:43 AM
The Pope has.......
“They(Evolution and God) are presented as alternatives that exclude each other,” the pope said. “This clash is an absurdity because on one hand there is much scientific proof in favor of evolution, which appears as a reality that we must see and which enriches our understanding of life and being as such.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19956961/
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Reply by j3n_n_ju1c3GOLD on October 20, 2008 at 5:43 PM
j3n_n_ju1c3 is happy :)well, that'll teach me to do my research first lol
I'll check out the link, thanks ;)
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Reply by j3n_n_ju1c3GOLD on October 20, 2008 at 5:51 PM
j3n_n_ju1c3 is happy :)"Our Earth is talking to us and we must listen to it and decipher its message if we want to survive,” he said.
wow, the Pop is starting to sound rather Wiccan, he should be careful lol
Well, there ya go, the pope says it's possible, so how can people refute it now?
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Reply by kmonster420GOLD on October 22, 2008 at 12:16 AM
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Reply by missmelissa23GOLD on October 22, 2008 at 1:19 AM
I don't know if this will offer any support or not...
I believe that God created humans in his image and that evolution is a big part of it. All living things adapt to their environment to survive, but we had to come from somewhere.................so I guess whatever tickles your pickle!
=)
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Reply by kmonster420GOLD on October 22, 2008 at 12:48 PM
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Reply by j3n_n_ju1c3GOLD on October 22, 2008 at 3:58 PM
j3n_n_ju1c3 is happy :)and what does he look like? the fish that we might have evolved from? *chuckles*
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Reply by Blaze909GOLD on October 22, 2008 at 6:21 PM
Reply by MichaSpurlingGOLD on October 19, 2008 at 4:42 PM
The whole world is based on cruelty, not just amongst people. Nature is full of horrendous cruelty based on the strongest surviving, eat or get eaten. If there was a God, a loving God, why would he/she design a world like this? I can't understand why people insist that God made the world when it's full of crap. I'd rather believe in evolution, hyothesis or not.
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Well, for one thing, it is obvious that you have not taken the time to read the Bible. A loving God did not make a world like the one we experience today.
The world of Adam and Eve is not the same 'world' of today. The bible explains how it was contaminated by the introduction of sin into the world. The world changed drastically and not for the better.
Don't worry though, flip on over to the end of the book, to Revelation and you find where the world will be restored eventually.
I am glad that the bible does not teach that good people go to Heaven and bad people go to Hell. The bible teaches that those who accept Jesus as their Savior go to Heaven and those who reject the sacrificial atoning work of Jesus on the cross for the payment of sin go to Hell.
Of course, that has nothing to do with evolution (Heaven and Hell). Volumes have been written in support of evolution. Micro-evolution is a fact but macro-evolution in which species change into another species (or kind as the Bible refers to it), is, at best, wishful thinking on the part of evolutionists. It is o.k. for you to say evolution is a fact. The only problem is that it just ain't so Ollie.
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Reply by j3n_n_ju1c3GOLD on October 22, 2008 at 7:32 PM
j3n_n_ju1c3 is happy :)But the church and the Pope say it's so... and who are they but messengers of the Word? Are you saying that you know the Bible and God better than the Pope and The Church of England?
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Reply by MichaSpurlingGOLD on October 23, 2008 at 4:46 AM
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Thanks for the suggestion. I DID read the bible, thanks very much. I was indoctrinated with it until age 25, then I started to think for myself.
There is no way on this earth that I am ever going to believe in Jesus again unless of course some miracle happens, and I will gladly go to hell. Having had cancer twice, it is more likely to be sooner rather than later.
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Reply by MichaSpurlingGOLD on October 23, 2008 at 4:47 AM
Hi Jenna, love your reasoning. Keep going :)
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Reply by j3n_n_ju1c3GOLD on October 23, 2008 at 8:16 AM
j3n_n_ju1c3 is happy :)oh garsh...
* blushes and digs toe in the sand*
Hi *ggls* :)
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Reply by kmonster420GOLD on October 25, 2008 at 3:38 AM
check this video out......
Creationist Misunderstandings Regarding Evolution
http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=w4r4lets8s
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Reply by criss_cross on November 23, 2008 at 4:57 PM
The people who really need to apologize to Darwin are the ones who demonize him by laying blame for eugenics, genocide, holocaust, etc, upon his theory.
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Reply by DarcyDooGOLD on November 24, 2008 at 7:40 AM
Evolution is only a theory? Only so much as "gravity" is a theory, but I wouldn't jump off a bridge to test it.
Gravity
*Things falling is an observation of the pull of bodies toward each other.
*Bodies pulling toward each other is called gravity
* Gravity is a fact
(The explanation of why this happens is the theory of gravity)
Evolution
* Fruit flies changing from generation to generation is an observation of generational organism change.
* Organisms changing generation to generation is called evolution.
*Evolution is a fact.
(The explanation of why this happens is the theory of evolution)
There seems to be a misconception by some that "theory" is synonymous with "pipe dream." This is not the case. Evolution is supported by an overwhelming amount of empirical evidence.
Evolution can be seen in the world around you. We wouldn't have vaccines without evolution, different sorts of dog breeds, etc. etc. Evolution is present in every day life. It's all around you every day.
I, for one, am glad that the church is recognizing this. I have never understood why the two had to be at odds. I've always felt that God in his or her infinite wisdom is perfectly capable of creating the universe with a plan, and that evolution is part of that plan.
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Reply by conniegSITE-ADMIN on November 24, 2008 at 8:14 AM
connieg is looking forward to seeing dydy tonight! but nothing to wear...I won't apologise because I've stated I believe the two go hand in hand.... :)
I doubt that they are apologising that God didn't create it and the big bang did.
On another note Humans play a huge part in breeding different dogs and things that isn't evolution, that's interference.
What we have done to dogs for pedigree display is deplorable.
Don't you remember when Oranges actually had thick skins and pips LOL
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Reply by conniegSITE-ADMIN on November 24, 2008 at 8:17 AM
connieg is looking forward to seeing dydy tonight! but nothing to wear...You and me both kiddo :)
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Reply by scarlettohallGOLD on November 24, 2008 at 8:38 AM
Apostasy:
"Abandonment of ONE'S religious faith."
That is how one dictionary defines the word.
"The total rejection by a baptized person of the Christian faith he once professed."
That is how a second dictionary defines the word.
The Greek word used is "apostasia", and from a Greek dictionary its meaning is:
"a falling away, defection, forsake".
Notice that the definitions apply to individual persons ONLY and not to the entire Church.
"Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall, not prevail against it."
"And I will pray the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, to be with you for ever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him; you know him, for he dwells with you, and will be in you. I will not leave you desolate; I will come to you."
"For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them."
None of these verses speak of the entire church apostatizing. Individuals can be apostate..but, not the entire church.
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Reply by UFOz8MyGoatGOLD on November 24, 2008 at 12:28 PM
God does not change not because of Darwin or the church especially the ROMAN catholic half pagan church does not represent who God is... and I don't think Darwin is some visionary or a saint of the religion of science
How old is God he's forever old lol how old is science? hmmm no comparison
I don't believe he is some old guy ready to bop us on the head for every mistake ...
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