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Reply by neo_waxworks on August 24, 2009 at 6:48 PM
It wasn't an illegal war, until you guys come to grips with that, the rest of what you say about it is irelevent
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Reply by Mr_MrsCopypaster on August 24, 2009 at 6:54 PM
9-11 was illegal--innocent folk were killed; tens of thousands of women and children were murdered at the hand of a madman...all innocent folk. The cost of freedom isn't free.
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Reply by Mr_MrsCopypaster on August 24, 2009 at 6:55 PM
Incidentally, abortion (killing babies) - innocent folk - is not own legal under the Obama regime...it is taxpayer funded. More babies have been killed, the victims of abortion, than all the world wars put together.
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Reply by grammatea4uCOMMUNITY-SUPPORT on August 24, 2009 at 7:06 PM
You can't blame that on Obama...The Supreme Court made that legal way before he became President.
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Reply by grammatea4uCOMMUNITY-SUPPORT on August 24, 2009 at 7:07 PM
I think we need to stop paying taxes...There are many things that are funded via taxes that many people don't like for various reasons, but there we go still paying those taxes.
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Reply by Mr_MrsCopypaster on August 24, 2009 at 7:16 PM
I agree, we most definitely should not pay taxes to fund worldwide abortion on demand.
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Reply by Mr_MrsCopypaster on August 24, 2009 at 7:17 PM
I blame Obama for reversing the Mexico City Policy...amongst other things.
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Reply by walkingstickGOLD on August 24, 2009 at 10:17 PM
So say you.
And about those weapons of mass destruction
which were supposedly a major reason for U.S. attack on Iraq?
Where are they?
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Reply by Jacqui on August 24, 2009 at 10:20 PM
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Reply by kwmmaGOLD on August 24, 2009 at 10:43 PM
9-11 was heinous. It was wrong. Numbers are bad enough when truthful. But..."tens of thousands of women and children"? From 9-11? Fact check please. Or did you accidentally mix in numbers from some other atrocity?
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Reply by FrankCNYGOLD on August 24, 2009 at 11:12 PM
I stand corrected...$1 Trillion Dollars for an illegal occupation, but not a penny for healthcare....God Bless America.
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Reply by kwmmaGOLD on August 24, 2009 at 11:21 PM
Not a "penny" for health care? Really? Do we need to investigate this claim? :)
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Reply by Mr_MrsCopypaster on August 25, 2009 at 4:18 AM
The U.N. found and confiscated them.
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Reply by Mr_MrsCopypaster on August 25, 2009 at 4:19 AM
I know of some Iraqis who were able to vote for the very first time.
And women and children feel safer now.
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Reply by Mr_MrsCopypaster on August 25, 2009 at 4:20 AM
War is hell.
Just wait 'til your taxes go sky high to pay for the health care of illegals.
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Reply by wizard_of_iceGOLD on August 25, 2009 at 6:57 AM
It is not the federal governments business how our healthcare works. They need to stay out of it.
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Reply by WiccabasketGOLD on August 25, 2009 at 7:39 AM
Women and children feel safer?
No, no they don't.
Sadam's regime was brutal. Nobody is denying that. Brutal, cruel and violent. It was however, secular. He had no truck with Islamic law (or any other religious law for that matter). Women had freedoms that they simply would not have in places like Saudi Arabia which run under an extreme version of shariah law, has human rights record as bad as Sadam's Iraq (if not worse), and is incidentally one of your allies.
Many Iraqi women have come forward and said that they felt safer under Sadam Hussein than they do now (bear in mind that 'safer' here is a relative concept, and not saying that it was sweetness and light). Violence against women in Iraq is on the increase. According to the Organisation of Women’s Freedom in Iraq (OWFI), formed in Baghdad in 2003, women are harassed if they appear in the streets of most Iraqi cities and towns, educational institutions, or work places. Now there are even “no woman zones” in some southern cities controlled by Islamist parties and tribal leaders.
I'm not apologising for Sadam. Why would I? The guy was a monster who murdered his own people. The fact remains that this is not why our governments went to war with him. You seem to gloss over the fact that the 'Sadam was really bad, we had to stop him' story was political spin started as soon as they realised people really weren't buying the 'Sadam was part of Al Qaeda and had weapons of mass destruction' line.
Ari, before you trot out the 'Sadam was helping Al Qaeda and had weapons of mass destruction' line (which you still believe) please remember that not even the officials that led us into war try that one any more. They have claimed they were 'misled'.
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Reply by kwmmaGOLD on August 25, 2009 at 8:11 AM
I agree. But to say our government doesn't spend a "penny" on health care when medicare *alone* is 7.5% of our GDP isn't accurate.
K...
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Reply by kwmmaGOLD on August 25, 2009 at 8:22 AM
Have to agree with this one for the most part. If Saddam being bad were the reason we went to war, then we'd better get busy because there are hundreds of other countries at the mercy of evil leaders. I don't think it was for oil either (if it was we did a piss poor job of getting it--gas got up to over $4 a gallon....lol). I just think it was a really misguided attempt at "stopping terrorism" and "spreading democracy". You can't spread democracy. The citizens of the country have to want it bad enough to fight for it. Cuba is far more ready for democracy than Iraq ever was.
If the officials were "misled" about WMDs than so were the congress, Clinton, other world leaders, most politicians and Powell. They all had access to the same intelligence and agreed there was a high probability of WMDs. That's a scapegoat attempt to make the war seem more "evil" in intent than it actually was. Bush didn't lie about it IMO...he genuinely wanted to find them there and thought we would.
No..the war was a stupid mistake, which in a way is almost worse. If we had evil intentions we would have been able to go in, dominate, and get the hell out. But trying to stop terrorism (gotta find those WMDs) and "spread democracy" we've wasted lives, years and resources there. You know that old line, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"? It became an old saying for a reason.
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Reply by missmelissa23 on August 27, 2009 at 11:47 AM
social health care is not gravy in the navy
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Reply by Arizonagal on August 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM
Subject: We Raised $1.2 Million to Stop Obamacare
Date: 8/27/2009 9:24:57 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time
From: newsmax
An Urgent Message From the League of American Voters
We Raised $1.2 Million to Stop Obamacare in Just Weeks . . .
We Can Do More If You Care . . .
Dear Friend:
I have some incredibly good news.
Just two weeks ago, we at the League of American Voters decided to come out strongly to stop Obamacare and educate the American people to its dangers.
We appealed to our members and asked them to contribute.
As of today, we have received more than $1.2 million!
So, thanks to your contributions, we have been pouring this money into crucial states, airing a powerful TV ad that our chief strategist, Dick Morris, crafted.
At this minute, we are running this TV ad in 12 states urging citizens to contact their senators — senators whose vote can be changed before Congress reconvenes.
Our strategy is simple: Educate seniors to the fact that Obamacare will add 50 million new patients to government healthcare.
This means — there is no doubt — steep discounts in Medicare.
This means rationing for the elderly. Some Democrats already are saying the elderly are "too costly." Just yesterday, The New York Times described the elderly as a drain on healthcare.
As Dick Morris explains, when Democrats in the Senate lose the seniors, they will move to moderate and compromise.
They know they need seniors.
The radical Obama plan will be dead in the water.
But we can't relax. We can't presume we have this won.
Dick says we need to expand this campaign to another eight states.
I need your continued help to do it.
Please act today — join the League of American Voters and make a huge difference for our country and the health of all our citizens.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Bob Adams
Executive Director
P.S. I know that we can win this, but Obama will make a last-ditch effort to save Obamacare. Help me put Dick's powerful ad up in eight more states —
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Reply by Arizonagal on August 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM
Hi, Melissa, how you doing? :)
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Reply by Arizonagal on August 31, 2009 at 10:05 AM
Subject: Healthcare Reform Foes Using Radical Alinsky's Tactics
Date: 8/30/2009 8:46:59 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time
From: newsmax
Influential Chicago activist Saul Alinsky wrote the book on community organizing for the left.
Now in an ironic twist, opponents of President Barack Obama and the Democrats' healthcare reform plans are employing some of the very same tactics that Alinsky, who died in 1972, espoused in his work "Rules for Radicals."
As healthcare reform foes angrily confront lawmakers at town-hall meetings, The New York Times observed: "It is an irony of the current skirmishing about healthcare that those who could be considered Mr. Alinsky's sworn enemies — the groups, many industry sponsored, who are trying to shout down Congressional town hall meetings — have taken a page from his handbook on community organizing."
Among the Alinsky "trademarks" that the Times' Noam Cohen pointed to are "using spectacle to make up for lack of numbers," targeting an individual — in this case Obama — and "using ridicule to persuade the undecided."
As for complaints from Democrats about the reform opponents' sometimes belligerent tactics, Alinsky stated that "any effective means is automatically judged by the opposition as being unethical."
The Internet availability of many town-hall confrontations would have won approval from Alinsky, who urged activists to seek media attention — in particular by challenging public officials on camera.
The boisterous disruption of the meetings by reform foes also jibes with Alinsky's tactics. He advised organizers to "raise a din and clamor that will make the listener believe that your organization numbers many more than it does."
Among the many community organizers influenced by Alinsky, the most prominent today is — Barack Obama. He learned and taught Alinsky's methods for community organizing while working for the Developing Communities Project in Chicago.
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Reply by Arizonagal on August 31, 2009 at 10:17 AM
The Opportunity of a Century by Phyllis Schlafly
August 28, 2009
Speaker Nancy Pelosi said one correct thing: health care legislation is our "opportunity, not of a lifetime, but of the century." Passage of the bill she supports would put us forever on the road to trillions of dollars in debt, bankruptcy, and European mistakes; defeat of the bill will safeguard the unique American recipe for liberty and prosperity.
Pelosi and her friends would give more control to patients over their medical care IF the liberals really wanted to improve quality and reduce cost. Instead, they are trying to push our nation in the opposite direction, taking away control from patients over access and choices for medical care.
We should eliminate the roadblocks that are built into current law to restrict our use of health savings accounts (HSAs) and high-deductible insurance (such as $2,500). Pre-tax money put into HSAs by the individual and by the employer can be used for costs not covered and, if not spent, can be saved and grow as a savings account for the individual.
This puts the individual in charge of spending for health-care costs up to the deductible limit when insurance coverage kicks in. This assures that the first $2,500 will be spent more carefully and thereby promote competition and lower costs.
We should give individually owned health insurance the same tax deduction that has been enjoyed for decades by employer-provided health insurance. This is a matter of fairness; where are the equal-protection litigators when we need them?
The Democrats are toying with going in the opposite direction: eliminating the tax deduction for employer-based plans. That translates into a big tax increase for the middle class.
We should repeal all state laws that forbid insurance companies to compete across state lines, so that individuals can buy health insurance in states other than their own. Where are the free-trade devotees when we need them?
We should repeal all government mandates on benefits that health insurance is required to cover so individuals can choose the insurance package that fits their needs. These last two changes would be the best way to establish real insurance company competition.
Again, the Democrats are going in the opposite direction: imposing a federal mandate on what benefits health insurance must cover (which will include abortion, mental health, and all sorts of services demanded by special-interest groups). Insurance mandates are how the Democrats expect to control the health-care industry if they can't round up the votes to impose the "public option."
We should enact tort reform so that doctors won't be chased out of practice by ruinous lawsuits and over-the-top malpractice insurance rates. The Democrats won't do this because the trial lawyers are their biggest source of campaign contributions.
The left has started a nasty attack against John Mackey, founder and CEO of Whole Foods Market Inc., because he wrote an article in the Wall Street Journal endorsing these common-sense reforms. He practices what he preaches; his company provides a popular HSA plan for its employees.
The left is incensed that Mackey not only supports practical reforms but also explained the folly of making health care a massive and costly entitlement that would create trillions of dollars of new unfunded deficits and empower government instead of people. The left is venting its rage on Twitter, Facebook and the blogosphere and even trying to organize a Whole Foods Boycott.
I prefer Whole Foods over Nancy Pelosi, so I'm going to double my shopping at Whole Foods and urge liberty-loving and cost-conscious Americans to do likewise. I'm a fan of Whole Foods' healthy foods and vitamins anyway.
Here are two more health-care reforms that Mackey didn't mention that I would add to the list. The Democrats craftily built two loopholes into their 1,000-page bill that must be closed.
Pelosi's bill deceitfully covers abortion at taxpayer expense by refusing to exclude it. The Democrats and the feminists consider abortion merely routine health care like appendectomies, and they know that the traditional Hyde Amendment, which denies taxpayer funding for Medicaid abortions, will not apply to the health-care bill.
The bill does mention excluding illegal aliens but provides no verification mechanism. Therefore, illegal aliens will be covered by the Democrats' health care bill unless proof of citizenship is specified as a requirement.
Don't let anybody tell you that "co-ops" are an acceptable alternative to the public option. Co-op is just a code word for the government to mandate the benefits that private insurance must provide, so co-ops will rapidly move us to socialist control of the health-care industry just as fast as the public option.
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Reply by Arizonagal on September 1, 2009 at 11:53 AM
Bravo!!!
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Congressman Mike Rogers' opening statement on Health Care reform in Washington D.C.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G44NCvNDLfc&feature=player_embedded
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Reply by A10cgirlPATRON on September 1, 2009 at 5:48 PM
Nothing wrong with telling it like it is! ;)
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Reply by Arizonagal on September 1, 2009 at 7:51 PM
Indeed! Hey...maybe it will actually catch on. ;)
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Reply by CoconutDave on September 3, 2009 at 11:40 AM
That's the idea!! D'oh!!
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Reply by pamplemusGOLD on September 4, 2009 at 12:45 AM
go to arizona and get like twelve social security cards...
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