SOCIALIZED MEDICINE

Arizonagal wrote:

Spawn_Of_Kya wrote:

Arizonagal wrote:I always do (hold myself to a higher standard). :)
And you've got nothing to complain about in regard to my behavior.

If she doesn't I would be happy to put in my 2 cents about your behavior.....

You've got nothing to complain about either.

Wanna bet?

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I'm on medicare....I like the idea of socialized medicine. Don't know much about it though. I think all American citizens, 65 and over should receive free medical care, dental care, exempt from havng to pay any type of taxes or utility bills........But that jus me.

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Arizonagal wrote:

Spawn_Of_Kya wrote:

Arizonagal wrote:

Spawn_Of_Kya wrote:

Arizonagal wrote:I always do (hold myself to a higher standard). :)
And you've got nothing to complain about in regard to my behavior.

If she doesn't I would be happy to put in my 2 cents about your behavior.....

You've got nothing to complain about either.

Wanna bet?

If I was a betting woman, you would lose.

Actually I would win. There is documented incidents that prove your lack of standards in behavior :)

Just saying

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Arizonagal wrote:

Spawn_Of_Kya wrote:

Arizonagal wrote:

Spawn_Of_Kya wrote:

Arizonagal wrote:

Spawn_Of_Kya wrote:

Arizonagal wrote:I always do (hold myself to a higher standard). :)
And you've got nothing to complain about in regard to my behavior.

If she doesn't I would be happy to put in my 2 cents about your behavior.....

You've got nothing to complain about either.

Wanna bet?

If I was a betting woman, you would lose.

Actually I would win. There is documented incidents that prove your lack of standards in behavior :)

Just saying

"Lack of standards" does not describe my behavior.

No.. Your right.. Lack of standards doesn't describe your behavior.. Ignorance and a lack of goodwill and tolerance describes your behavior..

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Arizonagal wrote:

Spawn_Of_Kya wrote:
Ignorance and a lack of goodwill and tolerance describes your behavior..

None of the above is applicable to me.

I disagree with Ari on most major topics
in the religion and politics sections
but guess what? We get along fine.

I wonder if it has to do with how one approaches these threads.
I have found that if I disagree with Ari
but show her respect
do not attack her and her beliefs personally
and lace things with a bit of humour now and then
well .... we seem to have no problems and
I may venture to say
Ari and I have actually learned to like each other.

Just because you do not agree with or like what Ari stands for
is not a good reason that I can see
to call her ignorant, mean-spirited and intolerant
(which is, I believe, how your comment translates.)

Just saying.

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walkingstick wrote:

Arizonagal wrote:

Spawn_Of_Kya wrote:
Ignorance and a lack of goodwill and tolerance describes your behavior..

None of the above is applicable to me.

I disagree with Ari on most major topics
in the religion and politics sections
but guess what? We get along fine.

I wonder if it has to do with how one approaches these threads.
I have found that if I disagree with Ari
but show her respect
do not attack her and her beliefs personally
and lace things with a bit of humour now and then
well .... we seem to have no problems and
I may venture to say
Ari and I have actually learned to like each other.

Just because you do not agree with or like what Ari stands for
is not a good reason that I can see
to call her ignorant, mean-spirited and intolerant
(which is, I believe, how your comment translates.)

Just saying.

It is not the fact that I disagree with her political beliefs ( I have many friends who I disagree with politically and religiously) what gets me is the degree in which some are able to treat people and have double standards. They expect the world to everything for them yet they won't move an inch for the world. The fact that some can't apologize when they know they are wrong and the fact that people who have done less have been hit a lot harder than she ever will be on here. Its just sad really.

And there have been times where I have been able to get along with Ari.. Read back on different posts.. The Pro-Life thread we got along great..

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Ari............Reference to my question of no taxes and free medical for those over 65 yoa. You ask...who's gonna pay for it...answer...you...jus as my grand-children would be paying for yours and so on and so on. Not a very popular concept, but I like it.

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yikes ...that sounds so selfish, Ari. What happened to helping your fellow americans etc... OUCH!

Golden Rule: Do as you would be done by.

I am a bartender/server, I only get paid $2.13 an hour. I donate half of my paycheck, which aint much to begin with to the Brinker( company I work for) fund but something is better than nothing. This fund is there for the worker in case of emergencies. Wether it be health care and has become bed ridden for a few months and needs money to pay for bills. Or perhaps their house or apartment complex burnt down and all their belongings parished in flames. This money goes to help them get back on their feet. To see the smiles on their faces, is so wonderful. To help my fellow neighbor, my fellow christian....

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so sad ...

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No it's sad to see Americans who think looking out for number one
and ignoring other folks in need.

So much for looking out for your brothers and sisters here on earth.
So much for being your brother's keeper.
People are afraid in the States
of something that many people in Canada would fight to preserve - socialized medicine.

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Are you implying that having socialized medicine
makes us a Socialist country?

And that we do not live in a free country in Canada.

Give me a break ....

Let me make it perfectly clear:

CANADA IS A FREE COUNTRY.

(and we love our socialized medicine
almost as much as you love your guns)

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Well your response was in reply to my statement
that we have socialized medicine in Canada
so the implication is that if we have socialized medicine
then we do not understand what it's like
living in a free country.

Since Canada is a free country
and we love our freedom
then how could we not understand
what it's like living in a free country?

I understand what it is like living in a free country
and for me
socialized medicine gives me more freedom.

If I lived in the U.S. without socialized medicine
with the health issues I have in my life
I would be homeless by now
having to pay the medical bills.
Either that or I would be either very very ill or dead by now.

So socialized medicine gives me the freedom
to live a healthy life
and contribue to society in the work I do
without being so financially stressed
that I could not contribute as I do.

BTW we do pay a monthly premium for our medical care
and we believe that everyone has a right
to good medical care
regardless of their financial situation.l
This does not make us 'un-free'.

Yes I do understand what it is to live in a free country
and in my free country
I am better off than I would be in yours.

And my socialized medicine
is one of the best things about my free country.

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Deb, you said you pay a monthly fee for your medical care. Is this a payroll deduction or do you just have to pay it? Also is the amount you pay based on your income?

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I wonder if Canada is similar to the UK in that it is a payroll deduction, and is a percentage of 'taxable earnings'. For example, in the UK you can earn up to a certain amount a week (I think £80) before you become eligable to pay National Insurance (our contributions to state welfare programs such as pensions, unemployment & sickness benefit as well as medical care).

Every UK resident has access to our social health care system. We also take care of European residents under a reciprocal agreement (we bill their government).

I pay about £140 a month. It's a trivial amount of money, especially when I consider how much security I have as a result, and how much money I would have had to pay out had there been no health care.

If I want to have private health care I can, and I would pay an additional premium to a health insurer. I would still have to pay national insurance though, which I think is perfectly reasonable seeing as it covers a lot more than merely my medical care.

A lot of complementary therapy is available on the NHS, and if I want to go to a herbalist, nobody stops me.

I cannot understand why you would want to see your neighbour suffer through your own selfish greed Ari. Are you seriously expecting us to believe that you would turn a blind eye to someone else's pain and illness?

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Incidentally, I live in a free country. I certainly have better rights and freedom of speech and association than some Americans it seems...

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wouldn't you like to be my neighbor? hehehe

I know that I would help in a heartbeat as I stated before, I do just that at work, comes straight out of my paycheck every 2 weeks.

One of my co-workers had a horrible accident last week. He is 21yo, a college student, bartender/server that barely makes ends meet cus work is slow at the moment. So, he could not afford to pay for insurance anymore. Actually, if your work hours become less than full time you lose work insurance. So, alot of have lost that insurance. Anyways, his accident was horrible. He may lose his sight from his right eye,lots of facial injuries, had to have his brain open to stop internal bleeding and swelling and he was in a coma up until a few days ago. He was hit head on by an older man with alzeihmers driving on the wrong side of the interstate, both going at 50mph( 100mph collision). So, now the money that most of us contribute from our paycheck is going towards his medical bills. I am so glad I can help him, it may not be alot but I am helping in some way. It makes me feel good. Got to see him a few days ago. He was cracking jokes but awaiting more surgeries.

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Arizonagal wrote:No implication...'tis a fact...people who live in socialistic countries do not understand what it's like living in a free country.

And y'all couldn't possibly love your socialized medicine as much as I love my guns. ;)

We live in a free country ya twit..

see i get the right to freedom of speech

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Cheekylilvixen wrote:wouldn't you like to be my neighbor? hehehe

I know that I would help in a heartbeat as I stated before, I do just that at work, comes straight out of my paycheck every 2 weeks.

One of my co-workers had a horrible accident last week. He is 21yo, a college student, bartender/server that barely makes ends meet cus work is slow at the moment. So, he could not afford to pay for insurance anymore. Actually, if your work hours become less than full time you lose work insurance. So, alot of have lost that insurance. Anyways, his accident was horrible. He may lose his sight from his right eye,lots of facial injuries, had to have his brain open to stop internal bleeding and swelling and he was in a coma up until a few days ago. He was hit head on by an older man with alzeihmers driving on the wrong side of the interstate, both going at 50mph( 100mph collision). So, now the money that most of us contribute from our paycheck is going towards his medical bills. I am so glad I can help him, it may not be alot but I am helping in some way. It makes me feel good. Got to see him a few days ago. He was cracking jokes but awaiting more surgeries.

You see, it is people like you who give the most, and frankly it's wonderful to see - yet we both know that people who earn the most are sometimes the least willing to part with a few quid to help out the community.

If more people felt and acted like you Cheeky, the world would be a much much happier place.

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Arizonagal wrote:

Wiccabasket wrote:
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I cannot understand why you would want to see your neighbour suffer through your own selfish greed Ari. Are you seriously expecting us to believe that you would turn a blind eye to someone else's pain and illness?

We pay enough taxes. I do not intend to sacrifice my health care options.

I'm alright Jack?

What options are you sacrificing by making sure others have access to healthcare?

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Arizonagal wrote:

Spawn_Of_Kya wrote:

Arizonagal wrote:No implication...'tis a fact...people who live in socialistic countries do not understand what it's like living in a free country.

And y'all couldn't possibly love your socialized medicine as much as I love my guns. ;)

We live in a free country ya twit..

see i get the right to freedom of speech

No name calling. You only show weakness in so doing, but hey, that's up to you. lol

And I live in a free country...we don't have socialized medicine here, and we won't if myself and others are effective in derailing Obama. ;)

I 'll have to remember that quote when I see people insulting and name calling our president.. they only weaken themselves.. lol

It's a typical right fringe tactic to equate affordable medical coverage for all Americans as a lack of freedom... They try to play the communism card to make unsuspecting people afraid... With the country in such bad shape it seems sad that some want to spend their time trying to derail the president..

The right fringe offer lots of criticism and few alternatives.. it's easy to bitch and moan but hard to "think" of real solutions.

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Arizonagal wrote:If you lived in a free country, you wouldn't have to ask that question.

Ari, I'm asking YOU to explain what you meant, as I cannot see how you would sacrifice any health care options.

Where I live has naff all to do with it, if your country is 'free' why are people dying because of a third world healthcare system?

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Because, wicca, it doesn't benefit her in anyway. She will not help her fellow christian, neighbor. Hmm, so ari, if you won't help pay for anyone but yourself, where does that leave your family, if they are ever in need? I am sure your kids are grown-up, married or on their own, so it is not your place to "support" them anymore, right?

Arizonagal wrote:

It's not my job to support you.
It's not your position to take away my free agency.

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Arizonagal wrote:Real solutions: Nobama!

That's all ya got...? lol no wonder...

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I have no clue why you are so anxious for Joe Biden to be your president but ok...

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I know what paying taxes is all about ... Just cus I have not read the const. in forever does not mean I am ignorant either. If you answer my question, it may help me understand, how about it, Ari?

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Arizonagal wrote:If you lived in a free country, you wouldn't have to ask that question.

Stop telling people who live in free countries
that we don't live in free countries.

I live in a free country - Canada.
Looking out for my fellow Canadians
does not shackle me. I would feel less free
if I could not have the medical care I need.

And the next time you talk about freedom in the U.S.
go talk to folks who can't afford medical care for their families
and who must go into horrific debt
and lose their mortgages
to pay for medical bills. I don't think they feel very free.

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