A better Hall of Fame?!

I'm always voting myself for HOF and I still can't get in.. :OS

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Down with HOF !! lol .. why not just have a weekly showcase of everybody on the site ? this way it always rotates .. and every one would get to be showcased and nobody can complain !!!

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I just wanna be nominated full stop! Hehehe.

Don't care who does it, blue, gold or skyblue pink with yellow dots.... just anyone would do! :P

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Seems to me that voting is the issue here. It's not a competition...it's an exhibition. Why do we even have to vote?

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Maybe we should have 2 HOF's ??? .....

The current one with Per's new changes ...

We can call it the "Singsnap HOF"

and then for those that do want to spam / cheat / whatever ....

they can have the :-

:-)

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i wanna be in hasselhoffs HOF! lmao

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Akaraokelover wrote:

Cheekylilvixen wrote:Yup, Golds that do cheat the system, will now become spam stalkers, since they won't be able to create new blue names. So, the problem has only been fixed to an extent. You solve one problem, you create another LOL. It's a never ending cycle LOL. Also, since blues can't nominate anymore, they also start spamming PM's even more frequently, cus they can still be nominated into the HOF LOL. If it's not one thing, it is another LOL. Oi, the blocks are gonna get worn out on this one LOL. I seen in the suggestion folder about being able to PM more than one person at a time. OMG, that will create chaos, if something like that is implemented. Some will use i like it should but others will take advantage of it and use it as spamming 20 people at once LOL. Ok, I am gonna scare myself if I keep thinking this way LOL ;)

Made me laugh.........maybe the site should have one of those spam buttons..........we click on spam and it reports it, just like in email accounts..........then if someone spams too much they get into trouble..........just a thought.

Now that's a thought! A spam button, I LIKE IT! lol

As for the HOF itself, I don't think their can be a true defenition of who should be there, on this site at least. Some think that only the talented should be there and I think anyone can be there. If you have a song in your heart, than you should be there. I just don't like being told to nominate someone just cus they spammed my PM box! The more someone persists me, it annoys me and that just leads me to not want to nominate them. I don't respond to spam in emails, what makes anyone think I am going to respond to spam on SS?LOL

If one is to get on the HOF, I think the recording should reflect just that. If people like your recording and find it worthy of getting on the HOF, then so be it. BUT spamming their PM's for the nominations is low to me. Let your recording do the talking or singing, in this case LOL.

That's where I stand on that subject.

I think tho that nominations should count per IP address and that would cut down on the cheating ... Anyway to implement that, guys?

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Even better yet Cheeky - have the voting be tabulated using the user's MAC address - much more difficult to manipulate and very DOABLE technically as the MAC address is sent with each transmission of packets across the internet. IP addresses can change if a user has dynamic IP addresses compared to static IP addresses.

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k2501961 wrote:Technically on the voting by IP address that is VERY do-able Cheeky :)

yup,and its the fairest way,then i may actually look at the HOF! LOL

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butlersoft wrote:Maybe we should have 2 HOF's ??? .....

The current one with Per's new changes ...

We can call it the "Singsnap HOF"

and then for those that do want to spam / cheat / whatever ....

they can have the :-

:-)

I always wanted a pirate shirt.

:-)

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Per wrote:

Cheekylilvixen wrote:I think tho that nominations should count per IP address and that would cut down on the cheating ... Anyway to implement that, guys?

It's been tried and didn't work unfortunately.

:( well can't say I didn't make a suggestion ....
ty for your response, Per :)

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Cheekylilvixen wrote:.............I think tho that nominations should count per IP address and that would cut down on the cheating ... Anyway to implement that, guys?

Anyhow, I am more curious about the noms not expiring. There are some who have spammed their way to the top. Why reward them by keeping them there through perpetuity? All they have to do is get enough of their clique to nominate and they are set at the top, while newer fresher material will be subject to these new restrictions.
Sounds a bit tilted to me, Per, but what do I know? I just searched through 50 pages, 20 songs per page and I ain't there. No skin off my back for the HOF!

Can I sell my noms? Anyone wanting to make me an offer I cannot refuse? ;-)

Edited to add the smile/wink to the last part, coz it was meant to be funny. But if somebody wants to take me seriously, there is room for negotiation;-)

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Well I am not supposed to comment on the Boards but I am gonna give my suggestion anyway. :-)

All accounts now require your e-mail to be validated. Why not require all HOF nominations to be validated in the same way. You nominate a song and an e-mail is sent to the address to be validated. Then if anyone wanted to create multiple accounts they would have to validate each nomination. This would be much more tedious and time consuming. The song can only be nominated once. This means the users would have to create a fake e-mail, sign up for a blue account, validate the e-mail, nominate the song, and then validate the nomination. That's a lot of work to get one nomination. Plus, the basic structure of the validation system is already in use.

This system would allow the Blue users to keep keep their nominations.

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how about posting the names of the voters? I dont think thats a violation of privacy,I personaly would like to know who voted for my 31 HOF recordings! lol

lets just see if the new changes work,theres bound to be a solution.

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MALEVANS wrote:

butlersoft wrote:Maybe we should have 2 HOF's ??? .....

The current one with Per's new changes ...

We can call it the "Singsnap HOF"

and then for those that do want to spam / cheat / whatever ....

they can have the :-

:-)

I always wanted a pirate shirt.

:-)

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Per wrote:About expiration:

One of the reasons we added the expiration in the first place was that we didn't want a ton of nominations being counted infinitely even though the member was not active for example. Now that we only allow Gold this is not really needed anymore since all Golds are active (otherwise their payment would stop and they'd turn Blue).

Anyway, I may add some sliding scale to the "points" so that newer nominations are given more value, we'll see...

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Here's another thought ... why not allow only one song from a member in there ??

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How bout ya just let golds vote for HOF???

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this way the fakers can nominate all they want but only one song can get in !!!

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sedaley wrote:

hobo56 wrote:

Steve-Mercenary wrote:

hobo56 wrote:no matter how you change the hall of fame your not going to please the group who thinks there undiscovered professionals. i aggree with the statement that the blue members are now being puinished for what just a few may be doing . hall of fame is for everybody on singsnap taking it away from good folks who may not be able to afford a membership is wrong . i will no longer support the hall of fame i will delete all my votes . why is it you listen to a select few who have hollered about the hall of fame being a hall of fakes ? i thought singsnap is supposed to be about fun and a place for a community to make friends . your taking away the fun so a select few can feel like they won the talent show . its sad that my friends have lost another benifit . the blue members may not be paying money to this site but they do provide a core of making the gold members have a fun place by there listens and friendship and regardless of how one feels the blue members are just as vital to this site as a paying gold member . singsnap needs to remember that the blue members are the only future customers you have i have no problem with this site needing to survive by paying memberships . but by taking one more thing away from the site that attracted so many people here in the first place is a bad move in my view . no matter what you do with the hall of fame you will not please the legands in there own minds . if those folks are not on that list they will never be happy . so just take the hall of fame and give it to these pros and let them have it . id rather have my friends anyday then my name there

One of these days hobo you are gonna have to name names on these so called pros.

ok i will sir . anyone who thinks there songs are top shelf over the folks who just love to sing and be on a karaoke site . anyone who is jealous that they would have to be alongside and share an off key stroke victim who just had his day made because a group of gold and blue members put him in the limelight and gave him some self worth for just a little while .

or the little elderly lady who just had come home from a cancer treatment who got a smile from someone putting her in the hall of fame and let her know someone cared and loved her enough to go to that trouble . this site is for everyday folks who love to sing no matter if there an embaressement to folks who think that only talented people should be in the hall of fame . take them away and see how long this site lasts . when this site starts to cater to just the talented singers then this site will lose more then it gains

.and if the shoe fits then that would be the names

I'm sorry but I take offense at your targeting talented or trained individuals. This site is for everyone who enjoys singing regardless of what level of talent they possess. Of course the HOF should reflect that and have performances we enjoy - whether due to talent and skill, or because they made us laugh or cry, or because we want to support a friend or loved one. All should be welcome, and not point the finger at the other saying that they don't belong.

works both ways i took offence at targeting the blue members and the folks who are constantly called hall of fakes and hall of shame because they sing off key . i didnt say anyone who is talented shouldnt be in there nor should anyone say that its for pros only . and for the record i didnt mention anyones names so i dont know why anyone who considers themselves talented would repspond in such a manner . did i say a talented singer shouldnt be in there ? no but what i did say is why all the fuss of sharing the hall with everyone . if a person thinks there more talented then the average singer here by all means give them a place and maybe they will then quit caling the great folks on the hof names like fakes and shame and embaressing that was my whole point . and the fact that now one more perk has been taken away from my blue friends

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Jacqui wrote:

Cheekylilvixen wrote:.............I think tho that nominations should count per IP address and that would cut down on the cheating ... Anyway to implement that, guys?

Would that be fair, tho? In my house, there are 3 of us SS members, and from time to time, we all use the same computer. Would my household be forced to accept a voting restriction? Just a thought.

I thought about that, since we also have 3 computers but in this household,I am the only one addicted to SS lol. But yes, that would be unfair but I was only trying to find another way so that Blues would not lose their 10 nominations. Either way, Per already said they tried that idea and they could not get it to work. So my suggestion is moot anyways LOL :)

So how much for your nominations? not that I have ever used up all of mine LOL. $1? lol

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butlersoft wrote:Maybe we should have 2 HOF's ??? .....

The current one with Per's new changes ...

We can call it the "Singsnap HOF"

and then for those that do want to spam / cheat / whatever ....

they can have the :-

:-)

maybe so....But still not fair to the Blue Members of this Community....They can be voted for but cannot vote for others...so that has to be fixed first...

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Cheekylilvixen wrote:

Akaraokelover wrote:

Cheekylilvixen wrote:Yup, Golds that do cheat the system, will now become spam stalkers, since they won't be able to create new blue names. So, the problem has only been fixed to an extent. You solve one problem, you create another LOL. It's a never ending cycle LOL. Also, since blues can't nominate anymore, they also start spamming PM's even more frequently, cus they can still be nominated into the HOF LOL. If it's not one thing, it is another LOL. Oi, the blocks are gonna get worn out on this one LOL. I seen in the suggestion folder about being able to PM more than one person at a time. OMG, that will create chaos, if something like that is implemented. Some will use i like it should but others will take advantage of it and use it as spamming 20 people at once LOL. Ok, I am gonna scare myself if I keep thinking this way LOL ;)

Made me laugh.........maybe the site should have one of those spam buttons..........we click on spam and it reports it, just like in email accounts..........then if someone spams too much they get into trouble..........just a thought.

Now that's a thought! A spam button, I LIKE IT! lol

As for the HOF itself, I don't think their can be a true defenition of who should be there, on this site at least. Some think that only the talented should be there and I think anyone can be there. If you have a song in your heart, than you should be there. I just don't like being told to nominate someone just cus they spammed my PM box! The more someone persists me, it annoys me and that just leads me to not want to nominate them. I don't respond to spam in emails, what makes anyone think I am going to respond to spam on SS?LOL

If one is to get on the HOF, I think the recording should reflect just that. If people like your recording and find it worthy of getting on the HOF, then so be it. BUT spamming their PM's for the nominations is low to me. Let your recording do the talking or singing, in this case LOL.

That's where I stand on that subject.

I think tho that nominations should count per IP address and that would cut down on the cheating ... Anyway to implement that, guys?

It is very easy to change your IP address....

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it doesn't matter Wiz, Per said they already tried that and they couldn't get it to work. So the suggestion is moot.

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So we're saying gold get 50 nominations that do not expire..and once we reach the 50 mark we can no longer nominate people. If this is the case I do not like it at all. I'm a member here for going on two years now and in that time have come across many who I feel are worthy of HOF..Locking me at the 50 would later prevent me the opportunity to vote for someone who I felt was worthy and should be there. I'd end up wanting to campaign for that person to be there..which is something I've never done before.

The more I think about it..I really wish we would just do away with the HOF altogether. To me it kinda goes against that 'spirit of singsnap'. We're all here to enjoy the singing and music...and really shouldn't be singling out people.

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I get you Peanut .....

so we want a BLUE Hasselhof ???

It's the best I could find ;-)

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I love when him and that other guy get into a fight on the show lol
ticks off Osborne so bad lol

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I gotta pic of him with out that covering ahahahahahaha

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also got a pic of don johnson with out also hehehehehe

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Per wrote:

grammatea4u wrote:So we're saying gold get 50 nominations that do not expire..and once we reach the 50 mark we can no longer nominate people.

You can remove your nominations.

ok makes it a little bit better. But still won't eliminate people campaigning to get in there...Think I still stand by my statement of doing away with it altogether.

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butlersoft wrote:I get you Peanut .....

so we want a BLUE Hasselhof ???

It's the best I could find ;-)

LOLOL Smart butt...haha

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Smiles...I say do away with the HOF and give that spot to our Dearly Departed Members, at least there , all are treated EQUALLY

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Looks to me like this is the only way to go (gold only voting) . I support both changes. I really would rather a nomination I made stay until I decide to change it.

The few who have spent so much time cheating the HOF system are pretty smart and can change an IP address so the only way is to make it gold only so they would have to pay an extra $12 each for the extra votes..

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Peanut wrote:Smiles...I say do away with the HOF and give that spot to our Dearly Departed Members, at least there , all are treated EQUALLY

good idea ...until some start to create fake deaths to get in there....These people who manipulate the system have no shame.

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Peanut wrote:Smiles...I say do away with the HOF and give that spot to our Dearly Departed Members, at least there , all are treated EQUALLY

TOTALLY EXCELLENT IDEA PEANUT
I SECOND THAT MOTION
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How many votes does it take to get a song into the hall of fame?

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I never understood why someone who doesn't really sing that great would want to be in there in the first place !There is no prize last time i checked!

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rokin1 wrote:How many votes does it take to get a song into the hall of fame?

Someone answered that on another thread tho...

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i dunno Rokin....want me to nominate ye...hahah

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I believe it takes at least 3 votes, the more votes you get the higher on the pages you get.

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rokin1 wrote:I never understood why someone who doesn't really sing that great would want to be in there in the first place !There is no prize last time i checked!

lolol same for those who think they be fantastic...there is no prize for them either...so that works both ways...sighs..............

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Not sure what the answer is....But treating your Blue members like this...is just another dig at them...and that just does not settle right if we are suppose to be a Community!!!

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Peanut wrote:i dunno Rokin....want me to nominate ye...hahah

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Thank you :)
I always wondered..

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Peanut wrote:Not sure what the answer is....But treating your Blue members like this...is just another dig at them...and that just does not settle right if we are suppose to be a Community!!!

Yep definitely goes against what has been described as the 'spirit of singsnap'...Instead of opening doors etc. we're slamming them on some of the membership.

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