homosexuality and religion

I'm a straight male, however I think you will find when "man" doesn't accept something, coincidently "God" doesn't like it either :) and in THAT particular order. Regarding the "gay rights" issue. I keep my mouth shut. I've lost MANY debates on it since my opinion stems purely from my own personal preferences which are just that.. MY OWN. I can't substantiate them. I'm a product of my times and conditioning and some things are tough for me to understand and accept emotionally as a result however I own up to the fact that that is currently my problem according to present day thought (and I am somewhat conservative, hence slow to adapt to change).

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America is a nation founded upon Christian principles; by virtue of the fact that Christians represent the majority of the population in America, qualifies America as a Christian nation. Bible-believing Christians will abide by biblical teachings in regard to homosexuality, adhering to traditional family values.

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Ari is right. And if we consider what God says about homosexuality in the bible.......This is from God's word

Leviticus Chapter 20:13 OT
‘If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1:24-27
1:24 Therefore God gave them over in the desires of their hearts to impurity, to dishonor their bodies among themselves. 1:25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and worshiped and served the creation rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

1:26 For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged the natural sexual relations for unnatural ones, 1:27 and likewise the men also abandoned natural relations with women 8 and were inflamed in their passions for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Well that's enough right there to show the Christian principals, not to mention the sin of lust and adultry.

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Thank you, snack. :)

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ilovedivas2007 wrote: (shortened) ... the USA, supposedly the land of the freedom and rights, gay marriage isn't accepted!

The USA is the largest Christian nation on earth.

Homosexuality is the negation of the creation order in human sexuality. God created us male and female, and the two, He said, shall become one flesh. Following the Fall, all sorts of corruptions crept in, including homosexuality. We read about the men of Sodom who 'were exceedingly wicked and sinful against the LORD' (Genesis 13:13). When two angels (appearing as two men) visited Lot, the men of the city came to his house and demanded: "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally." The angels struck them blind, yet so great was their homosexual passion that even in the face of this terrible judgment, they wearied themselves to find the door of the house in an attempt to have sexual relations with the two men (Genesis 19).

God destroyed Sodom and the surrounding cities with fire. This historical fact is a terrible reminder of God's disapproval of this unnatural sin. 'Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire' (Jude 1:7).

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ilovedivas2007 wrote:hmmmmm wanna see what the singsnappers think! I am a muslim but also gay, and in our religion you are not allowed to be both, i have looked at Judaeism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, and in every religin homosexuality is frowned upon! god spreads love and the devil spreads hate... so if two people of the same sex fall in love, it is god who made it possible! and why would god spread love that was a sin? all love is pure! i just think human beings should finally accept it! i am appaled that the USA, supposedly the land of the freedom and rights, gay marriage isn't accepted! is it just me, or are people like us never going to get the rights we deserve?

I, for one do not judge someone on account of their sexual preference. However, God teaches us as, Snakstix explained that it IS wrong! But, it is still up to that individual whether they listen to God's teachings or not! I guess that is why SOME Christians throw it at homosexuals cause, they know it is wrong according to God and HIS ways! But, even Christians can't judge you and get away with it. We are not supposed to judge!

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Excellent information, Deb.

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who am I to judge....that is a private matter...

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ilovedivas2007 wrote:hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...... but these holy books are thousands of years old! havent times changed?

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ilovedivas, my advice is to not give a damn about what other people think, and sit back relax and enjoy the ride, homsexuals will get their rights in the United States, it's only a matter of time. then future generations will look back and say, how stupid were they denying obvious rights? Just like us women had to suffer through so many years of no rights :o) and as far as religion fits into the equation, one's faith is totally indivdual and as much as we all try to fit it into a little box labeled, christian, muslim whichever, we all tweak it to suit our needs. There isn't a single person of faith who I will ever believe if they tell me, they follow their holy teachings perfectly. and those screaming the loudest that they are a perfect *insert relgion here* are the one's that are just not worth listening to. :)

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I didn't hear anyone screaming that "they are a perfect 'insert religion here'". What I observed was people answering the question that was asked. If people don't wish to hear the answer, perhaps they ought not ask. ;)

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Ari I wasn't initiating a thing, I was speaking in general not about this thread specifically but thank you for allowing me the opportunity to clarify that. :)

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You're welcome, Aly. Thank you for givng me the opportunity to counter-clarify. :)

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BTW, Do you truly believe the United States is *TOTALLY free* and *all* have equal rights ? Do you believe that the US is THE MOST liberal thinking country regarding sexuality ? HARDLY..LOL.. The US is quite inhibited compared to many European areas and other geographic areas ! This isn't just about religion either, It's about people, and change being slow (as stated) because many don't wish to see certain changes. People that REALLY wish to do something try to legislate change, but you won't change conservative belief overnight. Also "All love is pure" ? There are so many TYPES of "love" that his concept confuses me.

You need to find what works for you. There are many beliefs, and many locations, with NO location or belief being perfect for ALL. Sometimes we need to seek out what we feel is best for US despite others beliefs. 30-50 years ago I would classify most of the United States as quite homophobic. Many still don't understand homosexuality and fear it being "too close" to them. Change is SLOW. There has been TREMENDOUS change, Gays had 0 rights when I was growing up. They had the right to stay in the closet or get viewed as tho they had some deadly plague (in many locations in the US), sad thing is I know two individuals that took their lives when they realized they were gay- Things were really THAT bad for gays 30-50 years ago.

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AlyKat wrote:ilovedivas, my advice is to not give a damn about what other people think, and sit back relax and enjoy the ride, homsexuals will get their rights in the United States, it's only a matter of time. then future generations will look back and say, how stupid were they denying obvious rights? Just like us women had to suffer through so many years of no rights :o) and as far as religion fits into the equation, one's faith is totally indivdual and as much as we all try to fit it into a little box labeled, christian, muslim whichever, we all tweak it to suit our needs. There isn't a single person of faith who I will ever believe if they tell me, they follow their holy teachings perfectly. and those screaming the loudest that they are a perfect *insert relgion here* are the one's that are just not worth listening to. :)

What she said ^^^

Smart Girl she is!

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The U.S. isn't inhibited... we're civilized. :)

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LOL, "Inhibited" "uninhabited", is there REALLY a difference ? <Scratching head> THat's what I meant !!! The two words are cinnamons when viewed differently !

HAHA

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You're so silly, Steve! lol

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Novella wrote:

AlyKat wrote:ilovedivas, my advice is to not give a damn about what other people think, and sit back relax and enjoy the ride, homsexuals will get their rights in the United States, it's only a matter of time. then future generations will look back and say, how stupid were they denying obvious rights? Just like us women had to suffer through so many years of no rights :o) and as far as religion fits into the equation, one's faith is totally indivdual and as much as we all try to fit it into a little box labeled, christian, muslim whichever, we all tweak it to suit our needs. There isn't a single person of faith who I will ever believe if they tell me, they follow their holy teachings perfectly. and those screaming the loudest that they are a perfect *insert relgion here* are the one's that are just not worth listening to. :)

What she said ^^^

Smart Girl she is!

Tritto! :)

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I think everyone in today's society knows people who are gay. We work with them etc.....I dislike it when people mistreat or say bad things about anyone.

Now, do I personally think that same sex marriage should be legal? No, I don't think it should be legal. Lots of reasons but the 2 main reasons, for me, is #1, it goes against human nature, and #2 it goes against the teaching of the Bible. Marriage was instituted in the beginning to be between a man and a woman who would have children. I see no reason to tamper with that.

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If somebody can find a coed naked church in the US I'll go and even fiddle with my rosaries <shrug>, I'm openminded. Yet we are still a sexually repressed nation. How many topless beaches do we have ? I get either arrested or harpooned if I take my top off ! Bottomless not allowed I can understand. Hungry Minnows can be dangerous !

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Blaze909 wrote: for me, is #1, it goes against human nature.

Can you cite factual evidence of this ? This is dangerous to state in debate forum because it can't be substantiated. "Not accepted to date" in various locations doesn't mean anything more than "To date". Homosexuality has existed for a long time in certain areas and it's VERY tough to say "Gays should not have equal rights" because, "homosexuality contradicts human nature" based solely upon the fact that homosexuality isn't accepted by many of the older heterosexuals, or the fact that Gay couples can't produce offspring- therefore they forfeit a right to certain preferences and human rights and freedoms to expression ? While I PERSONALLY feel more comfortable in a heterosexual culture, and similarly feel uncomfortable even when seeing the banner on the top of Singsnap that shows two males kissing (advertising a gay dating service) I've clearly been told "THAT IS YOUR ISSUE KAPLAN, don't impinge it on our rights to freedoms". My perspective has no place in an actual debate grounded in human rights, freedoms or fact-based evidence. Wishing for a heterosexual culture to be around me is *MY* preference, but I can't prove my preference is *the right* preference therefore homosexuals should not share certain rights. It can't be substantiated as anything beyond comfort and individual preference, but the gay population will say because I don't wish to evolve and allow them the same right to preference/choice in companionship as I have, the burdon to prove them wrong falls on me today.

If cultures didn't evolve and change, Blacks and Females would still be found to not be eligible to have "equal rights" because (lets take in the case of women) they are more prone to_____ when____, and the menstrual cycle, reflex, strength in many cases, etc.. These would (and have been) factors which many also use to justify females from having certain opportunity or jobs men have. There's always something that someone can claim "makes others different or wrong", but burdon of proof is now shifting onto the heterosexual population to substantiate WHY Gays should not have certain rights straight folk have. Citing religious reasons, or personal preference doesn't carry much actual weight indefinately in a changing world

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Blaze909 wrote:I think everyone in today's society knows people who are gay. We work with them etc.....I dislike it when people mistreat or say bad things about anyone.

Now, do I personally think that same sex marriage should be legal? No, I don't think it should be legal. Lots of reasons but the 2 main reasons, for me, is #1, it goes against human nature, and #2 it goes against the teaching of the Bible. Marriage was instituted in the beginning to be between a man and a woman who would have children. I see no reason to tamper with that.

I agree.

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just imagine it, especially 2 men.....gag a maget, that's enough for me lol

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CatBallou wrote:

Novella wrote:

AlyKat wrote:ilovedivas, my advice is to not give a damn about what other people think, and sit back relax and enjoy the ride, homsexuals will get their rights in the United States, it's only a matter of time. then future generations will look back and say, how stupid were they denying obvious rights? Just like us women had to suffer through so many years of no rights :o) and as far as religion fits into the equation, one's faith is totally indivdual and as much as we all try to fit it into a little box labeled, christian, muslim whichever, we all tweak it to suit our needs. There isn't a single person of faith who I will ever believe if they tell me, they follow their holy teachings perfectly. and those screaming the loudest that they are a perfect *insert relgion here* are the one's that are just not worth listening to. :)

What she said ^^^

Smart Girl she is!

Tritto! :)

Making it quatro!

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I better leave now before I get into trouble. LOL..
In todays world Kappies wishes and vomit induced when seeing certain things doesn't mean much :(

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Blaze909 wrote:I think everyone in today's society knows people who are gay. We work with them etc.....I dislike it when people mistreat or say bad things about anyone.

Now, do I personally think that same sex marriage should be legal? No, I don't think it should be legal. Lots of reasons but the 2 main reasons, for me, is #1, it goes against human nature, and #2 it goes against the teaching of the Bible. Marriage was instituted in the beginning to be between a man and a woman who would have children. I see no reason to tamper with that.

Actually the LEGAL institution of marriage was initially instituted as a means of increasing or protecting material wealth and political power in feudal times. Ya wanna have a religious marriage be whatever you define it, okies with me. However, ya get into the civil arena and religion ain't gonna cut it. Frustrates me that peeps rely on their religious beliefs to justify a civil matter that applies to others that do not adhere to the same beliefs. It also frustrates me that peeps don't bother to actually learn the accurate history of a topic before they start making blanket claims.

Civil marriage never was and never will be a religious issue. Religious marriage is a totally different convention. To confuse the two is being grossly unfair to both religion and society conventions commonly known as laws and governments.

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In order to take conquer a nation, the communists know they must weaken the backbone of society, which is the family. This is accomplished by demoralizing the youth. The purpose of the gay movement is to re-define the role of the traditional family.

1963 COMMUNIST GOALS

The communist goals were entered into the Congressional record by Albert Herlong, Jr. (a Floridian who served in Congress from 1949-69).

17) Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism, and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in text books.

24) Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25) Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography, and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.

26) Present homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as "normal, natural, and healthy."

27) Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

28) Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29) Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

38) Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.

39) Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40) Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41) Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
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peachygurl wrote:

Blaze909 wrote:I think everyone in today's society knows people who are gay. We work with them etc.....I dislike it when people mistreat or say bad things about anyone.

Now, do I personally think that same sex marriage should be legal? No, I don't think it should be legal. Lots of reasons but the 2 main reasons, for me, is #1, it goes against human nature, and #2 it goes against the teaching of the Bible. Marriage was instituted in the beginning to be between a man and a woman who would have children. I see no reason to tamper with that.

Actually the LEGAL institution of marriage was initially instituted as a means of increasing or protecting material wealth and political power in feudal times. Ya wanna have a religious marriage be whatever you define it, okies with me. However, ya get into the civil arena and religion ain't gonna cut it. Frustrates me that peeps rely on their religious beliefs to justify a civil matter that applies to others that do not adhere to the same beliefs. It also frustrates me that peeps don't bother to actually learn the accurate history of a topic before they start making blanket claims.

Civil marriage never was and never will be a religious issue. Religious marriage is a totally different convention. To confuse the two is being grossly unfair to both religion and society conventions commonly known as laws and governments.

Excellent Post, Peachy!

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Arizonagal wrote:In order to take conquer a nation, the communists know they must weaken the backbone of society, which is the family. This is accomplished by demoralizing the youth. The purpose of the gay movement is to re-define the role of the traditional family.

1963 COMMUNIST GOALS

The communist goals were entered into the Congressional record by Albert Herlong, Jr. (a Floridian who served in Congress from 1949-69).

17) Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism, and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in text books.

24) Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25) Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography, and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.

26) Present homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as "normal, natural, and healthy."

27) Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

28) Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29) Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

38) Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.

39) Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40) Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41) Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
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Sounds like our Present Day World ...

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Vella, Cat and peachy ( first off it's so nice to see you guys on the boards! I seem to always miss you! ) I always love being *in the same boat* with you ladies! Sometimes I think, why do I bother to post at all, but then I realize how hard it is for me to keep my mouth shut :o)

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ilovedivas2007 wrote:hmmmmm wanna see what the singsnappers think! I am a muslim but also gay, and in our religion you are not allowed to be both, i have looked at Judaeism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, and in every religin homosexuality is frowned upon! god spreads love and the devil spreads hate... so if two people of the same sex fall in love, it is god who made it possible! and why would god spread love that was a sin? all love is pure! i just think human beings should finally accept it! i am appaled that the USA, supposedly the land of the freedom and rights, gay marriage isn't accepted! is it just me, or are people like us never going to get the rights we deserve?

Ok...I am a straight married female Christian so my opinion/experiences may not mean a lot to you but let me just share what I've wittnessed and let you decide how valid it sounds.

God established way back with Adam and Eve that it was intended to be one man and one woman.

As a member or a non-denominational Christian church, we do accept and love homosexuals in our congregation. We do not judge them or discriminate against them. It is God's job to do the judging, it is our job to love all people.

Homosexual "seekers" who are seeking God, most of the time, when they make the decision to accept Christ as their savior go through an amazing transformation when the spirit of God enters them. They loose all homosexual tenancies and feelings, even if they have a partner they no longer feel the physical attraction toward their partner and move to a very deep friendship. It is amazing to see and unexplainable in any other way than God transforms their lives. This leads me to believe that homosexual tendencies do indeed come from Satan.

like I said, these are my observations, experiences, and beliefs only, take them as you will!

My belief about legal Marriage for homosexuals is that who cares if it becomes legal or not. It doesn't affect the sanctity of my marriage which is only between my husband, God and I. I feel by denying it we are judging which as I said before is God's job. Let them do as they will and let God judge them in the afterlife. By disallowing it we are not stopping anyone from being homosexual. You don't see any saying "well I can't get married if I'm gay so I'll pretend to be straight to get married" so it's not discouraging anything and it's just causing a really big hate-rift in society. I dont' think ANY churches should perform them because it is obviously against their beliefs. Justice of the Peace, fine...it's not a Religious, Holy, union anyway because God would not sanctify a homosexual union...so it's all about legalities anyway.

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Arizonagal wrote:America is a nation founded upon Christian principles; by virtue of the fact that Christians represent the majority of the population in America, qualifies America as a Christian nation. Bible-believing Christians will abide by biblical teachings in regard to homosexuality, adhering to traditional family values.

If the majority of Americans were in support of homosexual marriage would you be?

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CrestenPixie wrote:
Homosexual "seekers" who are seeking God, most of the time, when they make the decision to accept Christ as their savior go through an amazing transformation when the spirit of God enters them. They loose all homosexual tenancies and feelings, even if they have a partner they no longer feel the physical attraction toward their partner and move to a very deep friendship. It is amazing to see and unexplainable in any other way than God transforms their lives. This leads me to believe that homosexual tendencies do indeed come from Satan.

like I said, these are my observations, experiences, and beliefs only, take them as you will!

i will take that as b.s. there is nothing to support that is true except stories passed around by christians. The truth is that homosexuals who are labeled as "cured" by christ are really just homosexuals pretending they are not homosexual and not practicing gay sex.

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Arizonagal wrote:In order to take conquer a nation, the communists know they must weaken the backbone of society, which is the family. This is accomplished by demoralizing the youth. The purpose of the gay movement is to re-define the role of the traditional family.

1963 COMMUNIST GOALS

The communist goals were entered into the Congressional record by Albert Herlong, Jr. (a Floridian who served in Congress from 1949-69).

17) Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism, and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in text books.

24) Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25) Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography, and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.

26) Present homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as "normal, natural, and healthy."

27) Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

28) Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29) Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

38) Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.

39) Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40) Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41) Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
_______________________

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captain_skeptical wrote:

CrestenPixie wrote:
Homosexual "seekers" who are seeking God, most of the time, when they make the decision to accept Christ as their savior go through an amazing transformation when the spirit of God enters them. They loose all homosexual tenancies and feelings, even if they have a partner they no longer feel the physical attraction toward their partner and move to a very deep friendship. It is amazing to see and unexplainable in any other way than God transforms their lives. This leads me to believe that homosexual tendencies do indeed come from Satan.

like I said, these are my observations, experiences, and beliefs only, take them as you will!

i will take that as b.s. there is nothing to support that is true except stories passed around by christians. The truth is that homosexuals who are labeled as "cured" by christ are really just homosexuals pretending they are not homosexual and not practicing gay sex.

your screenname fits you well. Like I said believe what you will but I know many people like I described in my own church and I don't believe they are pretending anything. But you are entitled to your beliefs.

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snackstix wrote:just imagine it, especially 2 men.....gag a maget, that's enough for me lol

Yeah, I get the same feeling inside, when I imagine my grandparents getting it on. So, I just elect to keep myself out of their bedroom. It's too bad that others can seem to find it in themselves to do the same. Why not leave the judging up to the "creator".

Everytime I see something like this above I get a picture in my head of the next door neighbor peeping through the holes in my window blinds, just so they have something to talk about to the other neighbors.

What others do in their own bedrooms, be it homosexual or heterosexual, is not impeding on your rights to do as you so choose in your own bedroom. Start legislating sexuality and it won't be long before they'll be in your bedroom telling you, which positions are acceptable. I don't know about you, but I do prefer a little variety in my own.

Everyone is entitled to pursuit of happiness in this country last time I checked. Live and let live I say.

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CatBallou wrote:

What others do in their own bedrooms, be it homosexual or heterosexual, is not impeding on your rights to do as you so choose in your own bedroom.

I used to agree with this until the two girls in the building across from me got curtains :(

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Steven_Kaplan wrote:

CatBallou wrote:

What others do in their own bedrooms, be it homosexual or heterosexual, is not impeding on your rights to do as you so choose in your own bedroom.

I used to agree with this until the two girls in the building across from me got curtains :(

hahahahaha!!! Impeding on your activities were they? ROFL!

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CatBallou wrote: Start legislating sexuality and it won't be long before they'll be in your bedroom telling you, which positions are acceptable.

Are you aware that some of the Blue Laws already do this ? While not enforced it's amazing what some of these ancient laws state. CT Blue Laws regarding sexuality were pretty restricting. I suppose they just never bothered removing some of these antiquated laws from the books. Sundays must've been a pretty boring day for law-abiding yankee's :(

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Steven_Kaplan wrote:

CatBallou wrote: Start legislating sexuality and it won't be long before they'll be in your bedroom telling you, which positions are acceptable.

Are you aware that some of the Blue Laws already do this ? While not enforced it's amazing what some of them state. CT Blue Laws regarding sexuality are pretty wild. I suppose they just never bothered removing some of these antiquated laws from the books

Yes, I am aware of these. Missonary only please. I can't believe they are still on the books, but they do reside next to some other totally absurd laws. Maybe one of these days some politician will make it his/her primary mission, while in office, to see that all the BS laws and ordinances are once and for all removed.

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Anyone know how this currently stands ? This is 2003 I think ? Not sure if it's updated ? I haven't followed this but I think Massachusetts was changed ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_status_in_the_United_States_by_state

It appears (according to this 2003 map) that foreign same sex marriages are (or were) allowed in Arizona, NY, and Rhode Island ?

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Notice the similarity in the patterns on this map?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states

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LOL, Yep.

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www.http://www.youtube.com/v/1WbQLNjTuTo

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CatBallou wrote:

snackstix wrote:just imagine it, especially 2 men.....gag a maget, that's enough for me lol

Yeah, I get the same feeling inside, when I imagine my grandparents getting it on. So, I just elect to keep myself out of their bedroom. It's too bad that others can seem to find it in themselves to do the same. Why not leave the judging up to the "creator".

Everytime I see something like this above I get a picture in my head of the next door neighbor peeping through the holes in my window blinds, just so they have something to talk about to the other neighbors.

What others do in their own bedrooms, be it homosexual or heterosexual, is not impeding on your rights to do as you so choose in your own bedroom. Start legislating sexuality and it won't be long before they'll be in your bedroom telling you, which positions are acceptable. I don't know about you, but I do prefer a little variety in my own.

Everyone is entitled to pursuit of happiness in this country last time I checked. Live and let live I say.

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Thankyaverymuch. That's a really nice video, Just goes to show, with enough dedication one person can at times change things. Yet there's often opposition so it requires tenacity and doesn't happen overnight

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snackstix wrote:

CatBallou wrote:

snackstix wrote:just imagine it, especially 2 men.....gag a maget, that's enough for me lol

Yeah, I get the same feeling inside, when I imagine my grandparents getting it on. So, I just elect to keep myself out of their bedroom. It's too bad that others can seem to find it in themselves to do the same. Why not leave the judging up to the "creator".

Everytime I see something like this above I get a picture in my head of the next door neighbor peeping through the holes in my window blinds, just so they have something to talk about to the other neighbors.

What others do in their own bedrooms, be it homosexual or heterosexual, is not impeding on your rights to do as you so choose in your own bedroom. Start legislating sexuality and it won't be long before they'll be in your bedroom telling you, which positions are acceptable. I don't know about you, but I do prefer a little variety in my own.

Everyone is entitled to pursuit of happiness in this country last time I checked. Live and let live I say.

Cat, I was making an observation, not a reality, whats the difference in imagination and realtity? geeze.....as far as judging goes? people twist that scripture to death. I don't allow any sort of perverions in my house or around my house. I guess you'd not judge your child if she brought home her boyfriend or girlfriend and went to bed with them? tell me it ain't soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

My daughter has got many years before she is of the age to make her own decisions. All we can do is raise them as best we can an hope they make the right decisions. Of course, we must also remember that what is right in our eyes may not always be right for them. Once she has reached the age of adulthood, she will be making her own choices.

If she makes the choice to bring the boyfriend or girlfriend home to spend the night for activities I do not approve of, then she'll have made a second choice at the same time. That would be where she'll continue to live. The choices are going to be hers, not mine, and I will love her no matter what and will be there to offer advice as needed. We can't live their lives for them.

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