Final Thoughts on Bush

He will go down in history as being directly responsible for the death of over 4000 military sent to fight HIS PERSONAL WAR. He has all but destroyed the United States in the eyes of the American people and overseas.

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Is Obama going to do away with the patriotic act?

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My question is what will be the reaction of those when Bush is gone and Congress STILL has a lower approval rating than Bush has now? That will just leave Congress, the majority of them Democrats.

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I love Bush!! How else could I entertain myself if it were not for Bushisms?
Looky here!
Hehehe...

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I love bush too, but I'm not gonna miss Gee Dubya

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I'm not going to miss W. at all.if we want to go by the same standards that people use when talking about the new President-elect.We could go through his family tree and see that there is a lot of missing info,some would say that his father was not a legal American citizen.Not saying that it;'s a fact,just saying that there is a lot missing.And as far as approval ratings,that doesn't mean anything to me.Anyone that has the smallest capacity for deductive reasoning could see that his only goal as president was to go to war in Iraq and make himself and his cronies as rich as possible while there.He doesn't see the American people as citizens,but more as his subjects.He drained the US and we will be paying for it for a long time,not only that we will be paying a pension and paying to protect him for the rest of his life.It's all pretty disgusting.

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All I can say is...thank you sweet jesus that we don't have 4 more years of him comin to us.This ecomony is so bad here I don't know when we will see the light of day with this.I just don't know what went wrong with this guy , and I STILL don't understand how he got another term after the first 4 years we had with him.

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connieg wrote:Is Obama going to do away with the patriotic act?

Good point connie! I would love to see the Patriot Act repealed or at least seriously revised by Obama and the Dem congress, but it'll never happen. Would have to be done later with a bipartisan effort. Doing so in his first term would play right into the hands of his enemies, who would use it like the Repubs did against Clinton when he proposed health care reform, just giving them more ammunition to attack him. In this case, it would be used to paint Obama as unpatriotic and soft on terrorism. He's too smart to fall for that trap.

As for Bush, I've long said that only two things have prevented his impeachment, which he's so richly deserved more than Clinton. One, the congress would need to impeach Both him and Cheney to get any change in policy, which would be way too time-consuming and costly for the country and Two, the Dems thankfully had the decency, depending on how you look at it, to see that impeaching Bush would establish a modern tradition of seeking impeachment of every president after six years every time the opposing party has a majority in congress, which is the last thing this country needs.

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Aw heck. I decided to go ahead and post it on my Multiply site anyway.

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that was just mean!

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Where there is a gracious and humble winner, there also lives character and beauty.

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It's all bushes fault lol Reality is it's our fault

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No Handshakes for Bush at G20 Reception

As President Bush shuffled through the reception line before a photo op last Saturday at the G20 summit in Washington, visiting heads of state seemed to give him the cold shoulder, even as they greeted other attendees with a handshake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6Y_ncOVlDw

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I found this link and thought I felt some gas pains but I S*** all in my pants. I think I have said enough!!!

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singingrose wrote: And some Republicans dont believe in evolution! Here is proof! LOL!

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be very careful kat. negative comments about obama will not be tolerated. you will be banned or at the very least closely scrutinized as a bigot, a racist, a fascist and generally a person of interest...

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pamplemus wrote:be very careful kat. negative comments about obama will not be tolerated. you will be banned or at the very least closely scrutinized as a bigot, a racist, a fascist and generally a person of interest...

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pamplemus wrote:be very careful kat. negative comments about obama will not be tolerated. you will be banned or at the very least closely scrutinized as a bigot, a racist, a fascist and generally a person of interest...

Or perhaps, you'll just look like a sore loser with a chip on their shoulder. Or bit of a prat.

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oops wrong place

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I will look at these one at a time
“-He started the war in Iraq under false pretenses, it was poorly planned, and he did not have a clear exit strategy.”

There were absolutely no false pretenses for starting this war. The reasons were clearly stated and voted on by congress. No lies no coersion…all of that was liberal BS and propaganda.

True it was poorly planned and no exit strategy.
“-In his war on terror-he pretty much stomped on the constitution as it fit his needs. He started tapping our phones, searching our property without warrants, and even wanted to know what library books we took out!!”

Thank congress for this also. And when was your phone tapped? Do ya care who knows what library books are checked out?
“-His energy plan was actually more detrimental to the environment than ever before. Nature reserves were disregarded and exploited.”
Cmon get a clue these regulations are where the problem is all of this environment talk is nuts and needs to be ended. Most of the enviromental rules are simply stupid to begin with.
“-His economic plan was horrendous! Took the surplus left from Clinton and turned that around quick. Gave huge tax breaks to wealthy people thinking that it would be invested in more jobs. WRONG-it just made the rich richer!!”
Do some research…most of the problems we are having now do not stem from the office of the president but from congress! From liberal democrats! The housing crisis and financial crisis is 100% the fault of democrats…the GOP tried several times to stop it.
“-One word-KATRINA!! It was a natural disaster that turned into a national disaster. Just this topic alone I could go on for pages-but I won't.”

Katrina was not Bushes fault any problems there after the storm are in the lap of the local DEMOCRATS who did nothing This is not up to the president to handle it is a local matter for the state to control! How can the President be at fault for this?????

I could go on and on too…best advise is to quit listening to the liberal media and do some real research and find out what is the real truth.
By the way Bush did a horrible job just not for the reasons posted here.

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someone said - - As for Bush, I've long said that only two things have prevented his impeachment, which he's so richly deserved more than Clinton

only one thing prevented an impeachment....He did nothing illegal to warrant impeachment. Clinton did. What kind of laws would allow an impeachment because you do not like the guy?? geesh

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dude the WMD were there did you forget that Sadam used them many times sheesh

we are not now and never have been in a position to worry about air and water the environmentalists are taking things wayyy too far

I could comment more but it will fall on deaf ears

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The housing crisis and financial crisis is 100% the fault of democrats…the GOP tried several times to stop it.

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Rachel Maddow is hot !!!!! ya'll

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I haven't figured out how the democrats caused the housing and finanical problems in a republican control adminstration and congress!

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everyone blames bush for the usa mess..just as we blame blair for our mess'''''''''its time you all realised that it aint their fault...........the fault lays with the arseholes that voted them in office in the first place''.........as in my thread on the politics pages......no politician can be trusted....ever.......

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singingrose wrote:I agree with Rachel Maddow!! Check it out!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGChg1MZcWQ

THANAK YOU!!! I FORGOT ABOUT SOME OF THAT STUFF!!!!!! Peace!!!

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PRESIDENT Bush.

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Houston wrote:I haven't figured out how the democrats caused the housing and finanical problems in a republican control adminstration and congress!

Go back to 1999 and read your history....This is when the Clinton Administration made Fannie Mae start giving out those ridiculous loans that people couldn't pay for. Keep reading and you'll see more of the following through the years. The warnings actually started in 2001 but Democrats refused to believe it.

In 2003, President Bush warned Congress about the risky activities of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and proposed putting both entities under the Treasury Department for oversight. Bush cited a July 2003 report by outside investigators that Freddie Mac had manipulated its account procedures to fool investors. However, Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA), who was the ranking Democrat on the House Financial Services Committee shot back at Bush: “These two entities – Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac – are not facing any kind of financial crisis. The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”

I would say the Democrats had a big hand in the problem we face today.

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I Beg Your Pardon, Mr. President
By Doug Patton
December 1, 2008

During his tenure as President of the United States, George W. Bush has been stingier with his constitutional authority to grant pardons than any chief executive since World War II.

As of November 24, with just under two months left in office, out of the thousands of people pleading for pardons, the president had only found 171 worthy of his mercy.

But it is not the number of pardons that should concern the American people. It is who gets these pardons and who does not. Many presidents have been criticized for controversial pardons. Abraham Lincoln pardoned a man who had been convicted of attempted bestiality because he found the man's character to be "otherwise reputable."

Andrew Johnson made good on Lincoln's desire that a pardon be granted to every soldier who fought for the confederacy.

In 1950, President Harry Truman commuted the sentence of Oscar Collazo from death to life in prison. Collazo had been convicted of trying to assassinate Truman. In 1979, after having served 29 years, Collazo was released from prison after President Jimmy Carter granted him a full pardon.

Richard Nixon pardoned Teamster boss Jimmy Hoffa in exchange for an agreement not to "engage in direct or indirect management of any labor organization" for the next ten years.

Gerald Ford will always be known as the man who pardoned Richard Nixon a month after Nixon resigned in disgrace in August 1974. The pardon probably caused Ford to lose the 1976 election to Jimmy Carter, but Ford believed that it was the only way for the nation to get past the Watergate scandal.

Carter, once in office, fulfilled a campaign promise to offer amnesty to anyone who had fled to Canada or elsewhere to avoid the draft during the Vietnam War.

George H.W. Bush granted pardons to former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger and five others in connection with the Iran-Contra scandal, which had occurred during the Reagan administration when Bush was vice president.

Then, of course, there are the notorious, last-minute pardons issued by President Bill Clinton, perhaps the most infamous of which was that of Marc Rich, the millionaire financier who had fled the country after being indicted on 51 counts of tax fraud for which he owed $48 million in federal taxes.

For George W. Bush, the case of Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean is a stench in the nostrils of every thinking American who loves justice.

One night in February 2005, Mexican drug smuggler Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila drove his van illegally across the border from Mexico to the United States carrying 743 pounds of marijuana. When confronted by Agents Ramos and Compean, Aldrete-Davila tried to flee back across the border. The agents, thinking they saw a weapon in the suspect's hand, opened fire, hitting him in the buttocks. He continued to flee and managed to escape back into Mexico.

Federal prosecutors gave Aldrete-Davila blanket immunity to return to the U.S. and testify against the agents. Ramos and Compean were subsequently convicted of assault with a deadly weapon and violation of civil rights.
Ramos got 11 years in prison. Compean got 12 years.

California Congressman Dana Rohrbacher said the case was "the worst miscarriage of justice that I have witnessed in the 30 years I've been in Washington. The decision to give immunity to the drug dealer and to throw the book at the border patrol agents was a prosecutorial travesty."

It also turns out that this low-life drug smuggler re-entered the United States at least 10 different times in 2005 and that he was caught smuggling drugs while he was waiting to testify against Ramos and Compean. These facts were not brought up at their trial.

I have praised George W. Bush for keeping this nation safe from another terrorist attack since 9/11, for his tax policies and for two solid nominees to the U.S. Supreme Court. But I also have been critical of his weak immigration policies and for his profligate spending during his two terms in office, and I have been extremely disappointed in his willingness to give away the store in these ridiculous corporate bailouts. Overall, if I had to grade him as a president, I would give him a C-minus.

But I will lose my last ounce of respect for this man as my president if he does not pardon Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean before he leaves office. These men put their lives on the line for us just as surely as our brave troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, and justice demands a full presidential pardon.

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Doug Patton is a freelance columnist who has served as a political speechwriter and public policy advisor. His weekly columns are published in newspapers across the country and on selected Internet web sites, including Human Events Online and GOPUSA.com, where he is a senior writer and state editor. Readers may e-mail him at dougpatton@cox.net.

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Hillbilly wrote: ...........For George W. Bush, the case of Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean is a stench in the nostrils of every thinking American who loves justice.

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But I will lose my last ounce of respect for this man as my president if he does not pardon Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean before he leaves office. These men put their lives on the line for us just as surely as our brave troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, and justice demands a full presidential pardon.....

This is one case I'm watching closely for the presidential pardon, if not full exoneration.

Thanks, Hillbilly, you and I rarely see eye to eye, but this is one case that we seem to share the same ideas on.

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singingrose wrote:

A10cgirl wrote:

Houston wrote:I haven't figured out how the democrats caused the housing and finanical problems in a republican control adminstration and congress!

Go back to 1999 and read your history....This is when the Clinton Administration made Fannie Mae start giving out those ridiculous loans that people couldn't pay for. Keep reading and you'll see more of the following through the years. The warnings actually started in 2001 but Democrats refused to believe it.

In 2003, President Bush warned Congress about the risky activities of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and proposed putting both entities under the Treasury Department for oversight. Bush cited a July 2003 report by outside investigators that Freddie Mac had manipulated its account procedures to fool investors. However, Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA), who was the ranking Democrat on the House Financial Services Committee shot back at Bush: “These two entities – Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac – are not facing any kind of financial crisis. The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”

I would say the Democrats had a big hand in the problem we face today.

Oh it was the Democrats, huh?? Check this out!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28001417

Bush administration ignored clear warnings
Under pressure from banking industry, U.S. government eased lending rules

updated 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - The Bush administration backed off proposed crackdowns on no-money-down, interest-only mortgages years before the economy collapsed, buckling to pressure from some of the same banks that have now failed. It ignored remarkably prescient warnings that foretold the financial meltdown, according to an Associated Press review of regulatory documents.

The administration's blind eye to the impending crisis is emblematic of a philosophy that trusted market forces and discounted the need for government intervention in the economy. Its belief ironically has ushered in the most massive government intervention since the 1930s.

I never said the Republicans didn't have a hand in it as well and that article is very one sided. The Senate and House meetings speak for themselves.

Here is a pretty good timeline...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/09/20080919-15.html

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