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LAngeloMysterioso

Posted by LAngeloMysterioso on November 16, 2008 at 12:44 AM

I just need to ask....

Why is it the world hates America again?

Is it deposing the brutal Saddam Hussein and offering self-determination to Iraq?

Is it routing the Taliban in Afghanistan who sponsored terrorist camps, murdered gays, and executed women that wouldn't dress properly?

Or is it the thousands of troops we have kept in South Korea to assure the madman in the north didn't invade?

Maybe it was the trillions we spent to match the Soviet Union in the arms race and assure western nations would be free from that tyrannical threat. Is that it?

Was it WW2 when we sent billions in loans to Britain, France and Soviet Russia that was never paid back? Is it the the 350,000 American lives lost to stop Imperial Japan and Hitler?

Maybe it is because of the Marshall Plan that rebuilt Europe after the war. Is that it?

Perhaps it's freely giving the Philippines their independence after WW2, or maybe it's giving the Panama Canal that we built back. Is it either of those?

Or is it WW1, when we tipped the balance to defeat the Kaiser and end the bloody stalemate in Europe?


Please enlighten me. I realize the world hates us, but somebody explain exactly why?

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This situation brings back memories of the Canadian Gordon Sinclair radio piece....


"The United States dollar took another pounding on German, French and British exchanges this morning, hitting the lowest point ever known in West Germany. It has declined there by 41% since 1971 and this Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least-appreciated people in all the world.

As long as sixty years ago, when I first started to read newspapers, I read of floods on the Yellow River and the Yangtse. Well, Who rushed in with men and money to help? The Americans did, that's who.

They have helped control floods on the Nile, the Amazon, the Ganges and the Niger. Today, the rich bottom land of the Mississippi is under water and no foreign land has sent a dollar to help. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy, were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of those countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. And I was there. I saw that.

When distant cities are hit by earthquakes, it is the United States that hurries into help... Managua Nicaragua is one of the most recent examples. So far this spring, 59 American communities have been flattened by tornadoes. Nobody has helped.

The Marshall Plan... the Truman Policy... all pumped billions upon billions of dollars into discouraged countries. And now, newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent war-mongering Americans.

I'd like to see one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplanes.

Come on... let's hear it! Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tristar or the Douglas 10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all international lines except Russia fly American planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or a woman on the moon?

You talk about Japanese technocracy and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy and you find men on the moon, not once, but several times ... and safely home again. You talk about scandals and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even the draft dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are right here on our streets in Toronto, most of them... unless they are breaking Canadian laws... are getting American dollars from Ma and Pa at home to spend here.

When the Americans get out of this bind... as they will... who could blame them if they said 'the hell with the rest of the world'. Let someone else buy the bonds, let someone else build or repair foreign dams or design foreign buildings that won't shake apart in earthquakes.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both of them are still broke. I can name to you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble.

Can you name to me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbours have faced it alone and I am one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their noses at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles.

I hope Canada is not one of these. But there are many smug, self-righteous Canadians. And finally, the American Red Cross was told at its 48th Annual meeting in New Orleans this morning that it was broke.

This year's disasters... with the year less than half-over... has taken it all and nobody... but nobody... has helped."

http://www.broadcasting-history.ca/news/unique/am_text.html

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Al-D-Man

Reply by Al-D-Man on November 16, 2008 at 1:00 AM

Thanx for the post.. It's about time someone stood up for America..


God Bless America,
Land that I love.
Stand beside her, and guide her
Thru the night with a light from above.
From the mountains, to the prairies,
To the oceans, white with foam
God bless America, My home sweet home.

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werewoof

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Reply by werewoofGOLD on November 16, 2008 at 1:56 AM

Ditto what Al said...

Thank you for speaking up. I am also one who's just about had it with the one way street of goodwill.

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Spawn_Of_Kya

Reply by Spawn_Of_KyaGOLD on November 16, 2008 at 2:11 AM

Spawn_Of_Kya hi

Wow.. well can i say one thing.. Canada was there when you guys had Hurricane Katrina and we sent down people to help with medical necessities, we sent down supplied, even our office took up collections of clothing and money that was donated to assist as well as we sent out our electrical technitians to get that all back up and running. (and unfortunately you didnt get a lot of help from your government)

We provided our airports to planes from the us in 9/11 so that people would be able to get off and call their families and let them know that they are alive and okay.

It is NOT a one way street of goodwill. We give you power to run your home, water you drink and gas you pump in your car.

PERHAPS the world has a dislike for Americans because of the way that they treat others. A bad reputation spreads faster than a good one.. This doesn't apply to all Americans because quite honestly there are some people down in the states who are kind and caring and don't have the elitist attitude that the world believes them to have. It is unfortunate that some bad apples have runined it for all of you but instead of whining about it (nothing personal guys) set an example and fix it. Put as much effort into trying to give your country a better name in a positive showing instead of griping about it.. all griping does is make an awful noise that people tune out..Ask not what your country can do for you or your reputation.. Ask what you can do to help give the US a better name..

Like i said.. there are many nice Americans..But all it takes is a couple of rotten apples to ruin it for the rest of the tree and then they are the black sheep of the orchard (sorry Im sleepy and it might be an weird comparison but there is a head cold in there too)..

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LAngeloMysterioso

Reply by LAngeloMysterioso on November 16, 2008 at 2:44 AM

Lemme see if I got this right.

The world HATES America because "of the way that they treat others" with an "elitist attitude".

And that is deserving of hatred.

And pointing out some of the HUGE things America has done for others and asking why they hate America is "griping".

Okay, it's good to know this. Thanks.

So everybody try to work on that elitist attitude so the world will stop hating us, okay?

Oh, and stop griping about it. Saving the world many times is no compensation for them having to endure our elitist attitude. Pointing that out is just griping.

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Janie76

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Reply by Janie76GOLD on November 16, 2008 at 3:01 AM

Spawn_Of_Kya wrote:Wow.. well can i say one thing.. Canada was there when you guys had Hurricane Katrina and we sent down people to help with medical necessities, we sent down supplied, even our office took up collections of clothing and money that was donated to assist as well as we sent out our electrical technitians to get that all back up and running. (and unfortunately you didnt get a lot of help from your government)

We provided our airports to planes from the us in 9/11 so that people would be able to get off and call their families and let them know that they are alive and okay.

It is NOT a one way street of goodwill. We give you power to run your home, water you drink and gas you pump in your car.

PERHAPS the world has a dislike for Americans because of the way that they treat others. A bad reputation spreads faster than a good one.. This doesn't apply to all Americans because quite honestly there are some people down in the states who are kind and caring and don't have the elitist attitude that the world believes them to have. It is unfortunate that some bad apples have runined it for all of you but instead of whining about it (nothing personal guys) set an example and fix it. Put as much effort into trying to give your country a better name in a positive showing instead of griping about it.. all griping does is make an awful noise that people tune out..Ask not what your country can do for you or your reputation.. Ask what you can do to help give the US a better name..

Like i said.. there are many nice Americans..But all it takes is a couple of rotten apples to ruin it for the rest of the tree and then they are the black sheep of the orchard (sorry Im sleepy and it might be an weird comparison but there is a head cold in there too)..


There is nothing to fix for me...I'm proud to be an American.And I am proud of our troops over in the middle east .And how is it *the whole world* hating us? Certain countries may hate us because we don't sit and watch them do bad stuff to other countries or god forbid,their own ppl.We fight for what we believe in.We also don't believe in terrorists, that is something I am proud of.

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Mishamay

Reply by MishamayGOLD on November 16, 2008 at 3:26 AM

Perhaps because America is a very powerful country and that threatens other countries. I always hear how it's safer to travel abroad if you're Canadian, which I am...well maybe that's because Canada is not very threatening in terms of military power and and other kind of power.

Other countries also may prefer their own culture, politics, and way of life to the American way and be turned off by what they hear about the U.S. in the media, and the way their media portrays the U.S. There's always that.

Edit to add: I have no beef against my giant neighbor to the South. I think it's a beautiful country and I've thought many times of moving there.

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pamplemus

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Reply by pamplemusGOLD on November 16, 2008 at 4:19 AM

i think the main reason the world hates us is because here white men continue to attempt to dance. in other countries they sedately and courteously sit in kiosks or street cafes sipping wine or coffee and talking over the local events. but here? well, suffice it to say that the gyrations and spastic near epileptic convolutions set to music that we see among otherwise dignified and intelligent white men are inexcusable, and would give any civilized people cause for anger. it's a wonder that we are not bombed more often. stop the mayhem white men of america! when the music starts, head to the bathroom, stuff cotton in your ears, run for the door! you can end the bloodshed!

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Arizonagal

Reply by ArizonagalGOLD on November 16, 2008 at 4:32 AM

Arizonagal |peace is the absence of opposition to socialism - karl marx

Defending America isn't popular...I've tried it...and I've been attacked for it.

I believe many people hate America because we are still a free nation; for this reason, the world would rejoice in the fact that their choice of "world citizen" for president won the election. They understand what America's fate will be which Obama supporters apparently fail to see.

America is also hated because we are a Christian nation. Enemies within continue to conspire to undermine our Christian heritage and constitutional form of government.

American pride is often misconstrued as "elitist mentality."

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mel

Reply by melGOLD on November 16, 2008 at 10:02 AM

mel all work and no play makes jack a dull boy

Pamplemus, I gotta admit that I love your posts now! We may or may not agree, but you have a good, unique sense of humour! :)

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LAngeloMysterioso

Reply by LAngeloMysterioso on November 16, 2008 at 10:54 AM

pamp, I didn't even think of the dancing. That is something worthy of hate. Take note my fellow white American men! Stop the dancing; stop the hate!


One other note pamp. and I'm not beating up on you, just respectfully pointing it out. Somebody very very dear to me has epilepsy. If she were to read that I know it would hurt her a lot as she is embarrassed by even thinking anybody would witness a seizure. It's a very unfun condition to have with a lifetime of medication and possible complications involved. It's easy enough to say something like that and I'm sure there is no ill intent. Anyway, this is just a heads up about it.

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LAngeloMysterioso

Reply by LAngeloMysterioso on November 16, 2008 at 10:56 AM

Arizonagal wrote:Defending America isn't popular...I've tried it...and I've been attacked for it.

I believe many people hate America because we are still a free nation; for this reason, the world would rejoice in the fact that their choice of "world citizen" for president won the election. They understand what America's fate will be which Obama supporters apparently fail to see.

America is also hated because we are a Christian nation. Enemies within continue to conspire to undermine our Christian heritage and constitutional form of government.

American pride is often misconstrued as "elitist mentality."

I'm not defending America. I'm asking a question. Who knows, depending on the answers I get I may defend her.

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scarlettohall

Reply by scarlettohallGOLD on November 16, 2008 at 10:57 AM

scarlettohall wonders when the sanity will return

I didn't know people hated us.

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Arizonagal

Reply by ArizonagalGOLD on November 16, 2008 at 11:09 AM

Arizonagal |peace is the absence of opposition to socialism - karl marx

LAngeloMysterioso wrote:
Arizonagal wrote:Defending America isn't popular...I've tried it...and I've been attacked for it.

I believe many people hate America because we are still a free nation; for this reason, the world would rejoice in the fact that their choice of "world citizen" for president won the election. They understand what America's fate will be which Obama supporters apparently fail to see.

America is also hated because we are a Christian nation. Enemies within continue to conspire to undermine our Christian heritage and constitutional form of government.

American pride is often misconstrued as "elitist mentality."

I'm not defending America. I'm asking a question. Who knows, depending on the answers I get I may defend her.

I hope you do defend America! Americans have been brainwashed and silenced; time to stand up and take back our country.

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LAngeloMysterioso

Reply by LAngeloMysterioso on November 16, 2008 at 11:11 AM

scarlettohall wrote:I didn't know people hated us.

Well, I am told and have read here that they do hate us.

But maybe now that we have Obama the world will "turn that frown upside down" and love us to bits.

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Houston

Reply by HoustonGOLD on November 16, 2008 at 1:43 PM

We need to stop being the worlds' policeman, big brother, provider and savior. Do away with aid to these countries. Roll up the borders and put a navel blockage at the 3 mile limit of our shores. If these other countries want what we got,(which is scarce now) let em come take it......if they dare! Sorry.....I'm venting again.

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LAngeloMysterioso

Reply by LAngeloMysterioso on November 16, 2008 at 1:59 PM

You really think letting the world be alone with themselves is a good idea?

Their dysfunction is so extreme that a world war would erupt in about 3 weeks. Then everybody would hate America for letting that happen.

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eileen

Reply by eileenGOLD on November 16, 2008 at 2:02 PM

Houston wrote:We need to stop being the worlds' policeman, big brother, provider and savior. Do away with aid to these countries. Roll up the borders and put a navel blockage at the 3 mile limit of our shores. If these other countries want what we got,(which is scarce now) let em come take it......if they dare! Sorry.....I'm venting again.

and YOUR the liberal DEMOCRAT..I'm confused..I thought you were the party that cared about people. My bad.

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mel

Reply by melGOLD on November 16, 2008 at 2:32 PM

mel all work and no play makes jack a dull boy

LAngeloMysterioso wrote:You really think letting the world be alone with themselves is a good idea?

Their dysfunction is so extreme that a world war would erupt in about 3 weeks. Then everybody would hate America for letting that happen.

Thinking of the rest of the world as "dysfunctional" might be one of the reasons.

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Janie76

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Reply by Janie76GOLD on November 16, 2008 at 3:02 PM

Ari, I'll never attack you for defending our great country.

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Janie76

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Reply by Janie76GOLD on November 16, 2008 at 3:05 PM

mel wrote:
LAngeloMysterioso wrote:You really think letting the world be alone with themselves is a good idea?

Their dysfunction is so extreme that a world war would erupt in about 3 weeks. Then everybody would hate America for letting that happen.

Thinking of the rest of the world as "dysfunctional" might be one of the reasons.

I don't think the entire world is dysfunctional except The United States, only the countries that teach their 5 year olds to kill,or maybe kill a girl baby because they feel the population is too high, or maybe treat women like dogs.Those are the ones I would call dysfunctional.And to my knowledge those countries are where our troops are.So once again I will say I am proud of our troops in the middle east & proud to be an American.

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Spawn_Of_Kya

Reply by Spawn_Of_KyaGOLD on November 16, 2008 at 3:16 PM

Spawn_Of_Kya hi

eileen wrote:
Houston wrote:We need to stop being the worlds' policeman, big brother, provider and savior. Do away with aid to these countries. Roll up the borders and put a navel blockage at the 3 mile limit of our shores. If these other countries want what we got,(which is scarce now) let em come take it......if they dare! Sorry.....I'm venting again.

and YOUR the liberal DEMOCRAT..I'm confused..I thought you were the party that cared about people. My bad.

Should America not take care of their own people first before taking care of the rest of the world's people? You have people being murdered, raped, discriminated against, segregated and being suppressed of their rights on a daily basis.. do they not deserve help?

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Jumpin-Jack-Flash

Reply by Jumpin-Jack-Flash on November 16, 2008 at 3:51 PM

Hey LAngelo did you know that the majority of key battles in both world wars were won by Canadians? Yet theres citizen's of the United States like yourself whom seem to think you should be given credit for all the glory.

Did you know that your country was bombing and attacking various parts of Afghanistan and killing hundreds if not thousands of innocent people because you were trying to find someone you foolishly trained and armed but later found out you shouldn't have??

Then you go storming into a country that had nothing to do with the September 11th attacks because your president felt the need to even though it posed no threat.

The United States doesn't help the world by bullying it, which is what it is doing a lot of the time. You attack countries that aren't doing anything to you secretly because you realize a mistake you made, and then you scream murder when they attack you.. tell me how does that work? Its alright for you to attack a country but its not alright for them to attack back???

It's not just Afghanistan and Iraqi individuals either, theres been a good number of Canadian and British troops killed by your soldiers to and it just gets dismissed as "friendly fire" even though theres nothing friendly about it and innocent people were killed because of peoples ignorance and stupidity.

Oh and the United States is not America.. it's apart of America. I happen to live in the largest piece of it, its called Canada. You see its ignorance like this and other forms which give the United States a bad reputation. It's not the country as a whole but it's the ones who think that the United States is all that and is the greatest thing on earth.

Here's one for you to read - http://www.galtglobalreview.com/canada/great_canada.htm

So please remember the world doesn't have things out for all of the citizens of the United States, just those who boast how they're so great when in all reality they know so little.

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Spawn_Of_Kya

Reply by Spawn_Of_KyaGOLD on November 16, 2008 at 3:55 PM

Spawn_Of_Kya hi

That completley says it all^^ *applauds jack*

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mel

Reply by melGOLD on November 16, 2008 at 4:05 PM

mel all work and no play makes jack a dull boy

Janie76 wrote:
mel wrote:
LAngeloMysterioso wrote:You really think letting the world be alone with themselves is a good idea?

Their dysfunction is so extreme that a world war would erupt in about 3 weeks. Then everybody would hate America for letting that happen.

Thinking of the rest of the world as "dysfunctional" might be one of the reasons.

I don't think the entire world is dysfunctional except The United States, only the countries that teach their 5 year olds to kill,or maybe kill a girl baby because they feel the population is too high, or maybe treat women like dogs.Those are the ones I would call dysfunctional.And to my knowledge those countries are where our troops are.So once again I will say I am proud of our troops in the middle east & proud to be an American.

a) He did call "the world" dysfunctional.

b) It's about the attitude. If you have no respect for other countries, even good help will go unnoticed. See, I'm not in Iraq. I don't know if the US has done anything good for Iraqi people. I sure hope so! But self-praise, patriotism on the brink of worship and an obvious lack of respect for other cultures sure don't make anybody look good, no matter what he does.

The US economy profits from war. Other nations do notice that.

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mel

Reply by melGOLD on November 16, 2008 at 4:08 PM

mel all work and no play makes jack a dull boy

Janie76 wrote:maybe kill a girl baby because they feel the population is too high

Janie76 wrote:Those are the ones I would call dysfunctional.And to my knowledge those countries are where our troops are.

No, I don't think the US recently invaded India or China ...
http://www.gendercide.org/case_infanticide.html

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mel

Reply by melGOLD on November 16, 2008 at 4:33 PM

mel all work and no play makes jack a dull boy

Janie76 wrote:
the countries that teach their 5 year olds to kill

Child soldiers are recruited predominantly in Africa. Some countries with child soldier problems are:
Burundi, Central African Republic, Chad, Côte d'Ivoire, Democratic Republic of Congo, Rwanda, Sierra Leone, Somalia, Sudan, Uganda, Zimbabwe.

Other countries with minors being involved in conflicts are:
Asia: Burma, Iraq, Laos, Nepal, the Philippines, Sri Lanka.
Middle East: both Israel and Palestine
America: Child soldiers fight in Chechnya, and countries like the United Kingdom sent a few 17-year-old soldiers to Iraq too! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6328771.stm
The US trials and tortures child soldiers in Guantanamo. http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2007/05/31/us-move-khadr-and-hamdan-cases-federal-court
Child soldiers are known to fight in armed conflicts in Bolivia, Colombia and Haiti too.

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mel

Reply by melGOLD on November 16, 2008 at 4:35 PM

mel all work and no play makes jack a dull boy

Click here for more info about violence and discrimination against women:
http://www.amnestyusa.org/violence-against-women/international-violence-against-women-act/page.do?id=1051201

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mel

Reply by melGOLD on November 16, 2008 at 4:40 PM

mel all work and no play makes jack a dull boy

Compare with Oil reserves:
http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-oil-reserves-countries-map.html

Now... don't get the wrong Idea. I'm not suggesting anything.

But I do know that almost nobody in Germany thinks that the US troops are in Iraq or Afghanistan to "help". I don't KNOW what they're doing there!! How would I know? The media is full of propaganda, no matter where you are! Maybe they are just misunderstood!
All I can say is what it looks like - from my non-American point of view- , and it doesn't look altruistic.
I don't hate anybody though.

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Houston

Reply by HoustonGOLD on November 16, 2008 at 4:41 PM

elileen, I'm anything but liberal. I usually go with family tradition, which is democrat. However, I believe in the death penalty.....right to life for the unborn....the federal government staying out of states rights bussness and a powerful military. Damn giving anything away, either domestically or abroad....ya want it, take it or work for it!

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Elliebear

Reply by ElliebearGOLD on November 16, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Elliebear misses the heat seeking missile.....

pamplemus wrote:i think the main reason the world hates us is because here white men continue to attempt to dance. in other countries they sedately and courteously sit in kiosks or street cafes sipping wine or coffee and talking over the local events. but here? well, suffice it to say that the gyrations and spastic near epileptic convolutions set to music that we see among otherwise dignified and intelligent white men are inexcusable, and would give any civilized people cause for anger. it's a wonder that we are not bombed more often. stop the mayhem white men of america! when the music starts, head to the bathroom, stuff cotton in your ears, run for the door! you can end the bloodshed!

The funniest thing I have ever read on this board....thank you.

End the blood shed white boys...stop the dancing...

Pamplemus for president....

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UncleDave

Reply by UncleDave on November 16, 2008 at 4:41 PM

*does the Macarena*

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LAngeloMysterioso

Reply by LAngeloMysterioso on November 16, 2008 at 5:04 PM

mel wrote:
LAngeloMysterioso wrote:You really think letting the world be alone with themselves is a good idea?

Their dysfunction is so extreme that a world war would erupt in about 3 weeks. Then everybody would hate America for letting that happen.

Thinking of the rest of the world as "dysfunctional" might be one of the reasons.

You're right, that's probably worthy of hatred.

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LAngeloMysterioso

Reply by LAngeloMysterioso on November 16, 2008 at 5:11 PM

mel wrote:
Janie76 wrote:
mel wrote:
LAngeloMysterioso wrote:You really think letting the world be alone with themselves is a good idea?

Their dysfunction is so extreme that a world war would erupt in about 3 weeks. Then everybody would hate America for letting that happen.

Thinking of the rest of the world as "dysfunctional" might be one of the reasons.

I don't think the entire world is dysfunctional except The United States, only the countries that teach their 5 year olds to kill,or maybe kill a girl baby because they feel the population is too high, or maybe treat women like dogs.Those are the ones I would call dysfunctional.And to my knowledge those countries are where our troops are.So once again I will say I am proud of our troops in the middle east & proud to be an American.

a) He did call "the world" dysfunctional.

b) It's about the attitude. If you have no respect for other countries, even good help will go unnoticed. See, I'm not in Iraq. I don't know if the US has done anything good for Iraqi people. I sure hope so! But self-praise, patriotism on the brink of worship and an obvious lack of respect for other cultures sure don't make anybody look good, no matter what he does.

The US economy profits from war. Other nations do notice that.

Would you call the world functional? If so, why?

Sorry, I'm missing the profit from war we are making. I just see billions going OUT to support the efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan. Could you point out the profit for me.

I have plenty of respect for other cultures. I like Germany's culture quite a bit for example.

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UncleDave

Reply by UncleDave on November 16, 2008 at 5:13 PM

ILLUMINATI!!!!!!!

*still doing the macarena*

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mel

Reply by melGOLD on November 16, 2008 at 5:22 PM

mel all work and no play makes jack a dull boy

No, I wouldn't call the world functional. The whole globe has severe problems, the US included.

War usually gives a short-term boost to the economy. Of course, this doesn't last, and in the long run the cost outweighs the profit enormously. Why do countries wage war anyway, even though it harms their own country?

Either they are attacked, or they hope to benefit (long-term!) from a successful invasion of another country.

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LAngeloMysterioso

Reply by LAngeloMysterioso on November 16, 2008 at 5:28 PM

Jumpin-Jack-Flash wrote:Hey LAngelo did you know that the majority of key battles in both world wars were won by Canadians? Yet theres citizen's of the United States like yourself whom seem to think you should be given credit for all the glory.

Did you know that your country was bombing and attacking various parts of Afghanistan and killing hundreds if not thousands of innocent people because you were trying to find someone you foolishly trained and armed but later found out you shouldn't have??

Then you go storming into a country that had nothing to do with the September 11th attacks because your president felt the need to even though it posed no threat.

The United States doesn't help the world by bullying it, which is what it is doing a lot of the time. You attack countries that aren't doing anything to you secretly because you realize a mistake you made, and then you scream murder when they attack you.. tell me how does that work? Its alright for you to attack a country but its not alright for them to attack back???

It's not just Afghanistan and Iraqi individuals either, theres been a good number of Canadian and British troops killed by your soldiers to and it just gets dismissed as "friendly fire" even though theres nothing friendly about it and innocent people were killed because of peoples ignorance and stupidity.

Oh and the United States is not America.. it's apart of America. I happen to live in the largest piece of it, its called Canada. You see its ignorance like this and other forms which give the United States a bad reputation. It's not the country as a whole but it's the ones who think that the United States is all that and is the greatest thing on earth.

Here's one for you to read - http://www.galtglobalreview.com/canada/great_canada.htm

So please remember the world doesn't have things out for all of the citizens of the United States, just those who boast how they're so great when in all reality they know so little.

The majority of key battles in both world wars were won by Canadians?

Okay JJF, be specific. Did the Canadians win Midway? Did they win Stalingrad? Did they breakout in Normandy and sweep across France?

Be specific or whatever you're saying is not credible.

I don't doubt civilian lives were lost in Afghanistan. That often happens in wars.

Are you talking about training Bin Laden, the guy who was fighting against the Soviet Union?


I've got to ask you here on this.....

"The United States doesn't help the world by bullying it, which is what it is doing a lot of the time. You attack countries that aren't doing anything to you secretly because you realize a mistake you made, and then you scream murder when they attack you.. tell me how does that work? Its alright for you to attack a country but its not alright for them to attack back???"

WTF are you even talking about?

Are you actually trying to say American soldiers killed Canadian soldiers intentionally?

The US has a bad reputation because I called it America?

News flash; the people of the US are known as Americans. The term America is used in reference to the US. Canadians are not known as Americans, they are known as Canadians.

I didn't make it that way. It's just how it is.

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Reply by LAngeloMysterioso on November 16, 2008 at 5:41 PM

Spawn_Of_Kya wrote:
eileen wrote:
Houston wrote:We need to stop being the worlds' policeman, big brother, provider and savior. Do away with aid to these countries. Roll up the borders and put a navel blockage at the 3 mile limit of our shores. If these other countries want what we got,(which is scarce now) let em come take it......if they dare! Sorry.....I'm venting again.

and YOUR the liberal DEMOCRAT..I'm confused..I thought you were the party that cared about people. My bad.

Should America not take care of their own people first before taking care of the rest of the world's people? You have people being murdered, raped, discriminated against, segregated and being suppressed of their rights on a daily basis.. do they not deserve help?

I think you're right. The US should stay home and deal with our own issues.

But, you're not going to complain when some arab countries attack Israel and Israel nukes a few of them off the face of the Earth, right?

Because Israel doesn't care. The only thing that holds them back is the US.

When Saddam was hurling Scuds at them in the first Gulf War and our Patriot Missiles were taking them out (for the most part) the only reason Israel did not act aggressively is because of the promise by the US that the issue would be resolved quickly; and it was.

When the fallout starts drifting over Canada, you're not going to complain are you?

Because you'd better be right, or that blood will be on your hands for urging such a disassociation in world affairs by the world's greatest power.

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Jumpin-Jack-Flash

Reply by Jumpin-Jack-Flash on November 16, 2008 at 5:41 PM

LAngeloMysterioso wrote:
Jumpin-Jack-Flash wrote:Hey LAngelo did you know that the majority of key battles in both world wars were won by Canadians? Yet theres citizen's of the United States like yourself whom seem to think you should be given credit for all the glory.

Did you know that your country was bombing and attacking various parts of Afghanistan and killing hundreds if not thousands of innocent people because you were trying to find someone you foolishly trained and armed but later found out you shouldn't have??

Then you go storming into a country that had nothing to do with the September 11th attacks because your president felt the need to even though it posed no threat.

The United States doesn't help the world by bullying it, which is what it is doing a lot of the time. You attack countries that aren't doing anything to you secretly because you realize a mistake you made, and then you scream murder when they attack you.. tell me how does that work? Its alright for you to attack a country but its not alright for them to attack back???

It's not just Afghanistan and Iraqi individuals either, theres been a good number of Canadian and British troops killed by your soldiers to and it just gets dismissed as "friendly fire" even though theres nothing friendly about it and innocent people were killed because of peoples ignorance and stupidity.

Oh and the United States is not America.. it's apart of America. I happen to live in the largest piece of it, its called Canada. You see its ignorance like this and other forms which give the United States a bad reputation. It's not the country as a whole but it's the ones who think that the United States is all that and is the greatest thing on earth.

Here's one for you to read - http://www.galtglobalreview.com/canada/great_canada.htm

So please remember the world doesn't have things out for all of the citizens of the United States, just those who boast how they're so great when in all reality they know so little.

The majority of key battles in both world wars were won by Canadians?

Okay JJF, be specific. Did the Canadians win Midway? Did they win Stalingrad? Did they breakout in Normandy and sweep across France?

Be specific or whatever you're saying is not credible.

I don't doubt civilian lives were lost in Afghanistan. That often happens in wars.

Are you talking about training Bin Laden, the guy who was fighting against the Soviet Union?


I've got to ask you here on this.....

"The United States doesn't help the world by bullying it, which is what it is doing a lot of the time. You attack countries that aren't doing anything to you secretly because you realize a mistake you made, and then you scream murder when they attack you.. tell me how does that work? Its alright for you to attack a country but its not alright for them to attack back???"

WTF are you even talking about?

Are you actually trying to say American soldiers killed Canadian soldiers intentionally?

The US has a bad reputation because I called it America?

News flash; the people of the US are known as Americans. The term America is used in reference to the US. Canadians are not known as Americans, they are known as Canadians.

I didn't make it that way. It's just how it is.

Did I say you made it that way? Hmm nope don't see where I did. So please unless you can point out to me where I specifically said you made it that way, stop your insinuations and defamation.

Just because I don't give you specifics doesn't mean its not credible. If you want the info go do what the majority of us do and research it. I'm not here to do you work of research get off your high horse and do it yourself.

Also did I say American Soldiers killed Canadians intentionally? Hmm nope didn't say that either so again please stop with the insinuations and trying to take what I said out of context.

What I'm saying is that the United States was attacking Afghanistan and were killing hundreds of innocent people. Then the powers that be at the time (the Taliban) had enough and attacked the United States, we all know this day as 9/11. Your country called it a cowardly attack and yes it was, but at the same time they were fighting back from the cowardly and illegal attacks you had been doing to them for years.

Again LAngelo, if you want proof take your time and good do the research instead of just assuming. I'm not your b***h to go do your work for you, get off your rear and do it yourself.

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Reply by Jumpin-Jack-Flash on November 16, 2008 at 5:46 PM

LAngeloMysterioso wrote:
Spawn_Of_Kya wrote:
eileen wrote:
Houston wrote:We need to stop being the worlds' policeman, big brother, provider and savior. Do away with aid to these countries. Roll up the borders and put a navel blockage at the 3 mile limit of our shores. If these other countries want what we got,(which is scarce now) let em come take it......if they dare! Sorry.....I'm venting again.

and YOUR the liberal DEMOCRAT..I'm confused..I thought you were the party that cared about people. My bad.

Should America not take care of their own people first before taking care of the rest of the world's people? You have people being murdered, raped, discriminated against, segregated and being suppressed of their rights on a daily basis.. do they not deserve help?

I think you're right. The US should stay home and deal with our own issues.

But, you're not going to complain when some arab countries attack Israel and Israel nukes a few of them off the face of the Earth, right?

Because Israel doesn't care. The only thing that holds them back is the US.

When Saddam was hurling Scuds at them in the first Gulf War and our Patriot Missiles were taking them out (for the most part) the only reason Israel did not act aggressively is because of the promise by the US that the issue would be resolved quickly; and it was.

When the fallout starts drifting over Canada, you're not going to complain are you?

Because you'd better be right, or that blood will be on your hands for urging such a disassociation in world affairs by the world's greatest power.

Canada can take care of itself, after all we can tell the difference between friendlies and enemies. :) Not to mention have a military which is far more technologically advanced.

Also the US is far from the worlds greatest power. With the way things stand right Russia and China could level you in a week tops. They've also made it know they wouldn't have an issue doing it either if you take your little crusade into Iran, not to mention keep up with your "missile shield."

Edit to add.. That last paragraph is interesting.. your stating that if something happens it would be her fault... Umm where is your proof of this?? Talk about defamation of character.

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LAngeloMysterioso

Reply by LAngeloMysterioso on November 16, 2008 at 5:53 PM

mel wrote:No, I wouldn't call the world functional. The whole globe has severe problems, the US included.

War usually gives a short-term boost to the economy. Of course, this doesn't last, and in the long run the cost outweighs the profit enormously. Why do countries wage war anyway, even though it harms their own country?

Either they are attacked, or they hope to benefit (long-term!) from a successful invasion of another country.

My belief as to why the US is willing to withstand the very costly actions in the Middle East is that it is generally believed by those in power both here and abroad that the governments in the Middle East are a major threat to much of the rest of the World.

Has Germany, France or Britain done anything meaningful to convince the US to abandon these efforts. No.

Have the Democrats who have held power in the Congress the last two years done anything to stop it? No.

Why?

People from the UK decry the situation, yet Britain has troops in Iraq. People from Canada do the same but Canada has troops in Afghanistan.

The greatest problem in the world today is the sworn destruction of Israel by several countries in that region, and their less obvious mission; to destroy the west in general.

The target of that is the US, because the US is the most powerful of the west and the symbol of the west.

Do you really think that Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or Libya thinks Canadians are just cool people when Canada supports things like gay marriage or abortion?

If the US and Isreal were out of the way, Canada would be high on the list.

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Reply by Jumpin-Jack-Flash on November 16, 2008 at 6:03 PM

LAngeloMysterioso wrote:
mel wrote:No, I wouldn't call the world functional. The whole globe has severe problems, the US included.

War usually gives a short-term boost to the economy. Of course, this doesn't last, and in the long run the cost outweighs the profit enormously. Why do countries wage war anyway, even though it harms their own country?

Either they are attacked, or they hope to benefit (long-term!) from a successful invasion of another country.

My belief as to why the US is willing to withstand the very costly actions in the Middle East is that it is generally believed by those in power both here and abroad that the governments in the Middle East are a major threat to much of the rest of the World.

Has Germany, France or Britain done anything meaningful to convince the US to abandon these efforts. No.

Have the Democrats who have held power in the Congress the last two years done anything to stop it? No.

Why?

People from the UK decry the situation, yet Britain has troops in Iraq. People from Canada do the same but Canada has troops in Afghanistan.

The greatest problem in the world today is the sworn destruction of Israel by several countries in that region, and their less obvious mission; to destroy the west in general.

The target of that is the US, because the US is the most powerful of the west and the symbol of the west.

Do you really think that Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or Libya thinks Canadians are just cool people when Canada supports things like gay marriage or abortion?

If the US and Isreal were out of the way, Canada would be high on the list.

What makes you think Canada is not high on the list??? Umm incase you didn't know we're right up there with you since we have such easy access to your country.

Those terrorizers could easily just walk right across the boarder in so many places.

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LAngeloMysterioso

Reply by LAngeloMysterioso on November 16, 2008 at 6:10 PM

Jumpin-Jack-Flash wrote:
LAngeloMysterioso wrote:
Spawn_Of_Kya wrote:
eileen wrote:
Houston wrote:We need to stop being the worlds' policeman, big brother, provider and savior. Do away with aid to these countries. Roll up the borders and put a navel blockage at the 3 mile limit of our shores. If these other countries want what we got,(which is scarce now) let em come take it......if they dare! Sorry.....I'm venting again.

and YOUR the liberal DEMOCRAT..I'm confused..I thought you were the party that cared about people. My bad.

Should America not take care of their own people first before taking care of the rest of the world's people? You have people being murdered, raped, discriminated against, segregated and being suppressed of their rights on a daily basis.. do they not deserve help?

I think you're right. The US should stay home and deal with our own issues.

But, you're not going to complain when some arab countries attack Israel and Israel nukes a few of them off the face of the Earth, right?

Because Israel doesn't care. The only thing that holds them back is the US.

When Saddam was hurling Scuds at them in the first Gulf War and our Patriot Missiles were taking them out (for the most part) the only reason Israel did not act aggressively is because of the promise by the US that the issue would be resolved quickly; and it was.

When the fallout starts drifting over Canada, you're not going to complain are you?

Because you'd better be right, or that blood will be on your hands for urging such a disassociation in world affairs by the world's greatest power.

Canada can take care of itself, after all we can tell the difference between friendlies and enemies. :) Not to mention have a military which is far more technologically advanced.

Also the US is far from the worlds greatest power. With the way things stand right Russia and China could level you in a week tops. They've also made it know they wouldn't have an issue doing it either if you take your little crusade into Iran, not to mention keep up with your "missile shield."

Edit to add.. That last paragraph is interesting.. your stating that if something happens it would be her fault... Umm where is your proof of this?? Talk about defamation of character.

You like to make claims, but back them up with nothing. I'm still waiting to hear the majority of battles in both world wars Canada won. And would love to hear how Canadian military is more technologically advanced.

The Canadian army is 19,500 strong. They use the Leopard MBT which is certainly not more advanced than the Abrams (a little under 200 of those).

Most of their other land equipment is of American origin.

The Air Force has about 138 F-18s, also of American origin, or about as many as is on one US aircraft carrier.

So, I'm missing the part about technical superiority.

Neither Russia nor China has even anything close to the wherewithal to take on the US. To say they could do it in weeks is clueless.

As for the last statement, if one urges public policy and that policy is enacted, then one is responsible to some degree for the consequences.

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Reply by LAngeloMysterioso on November 16, 2008 at 6:13 PM

What makes me think Canada is not high on the list?

Not to be arrogant, but to be honest, because it's not important enough to be high on the list.

Yes, it is a good place to try and enter from because of proximity.

The list would be something like, US, Israel, Britain, Germany, France, Russia, Italy, Australia, Netherlands then Canada.

Edited on November 16, 2008 at 6:14 PM Quote

Jumpin-Jack-Flash

Reply by Jumpin-Jack-Flash on November 16, 2008 at 6:15 PM

LAngeloMysterioso wrote:
Jumpin-Jack-Flash wrote:
LAngeloMysterioso wrote:
Spawn_Of_Kya wrote:
eileen wrote:
Houston wrote:We need to stop being the worlds' policeman, big brother, provider and savior. Do away with aid to these countries. Roll up the borders and put a navel blockage at the 3 mile limit of our shores. If these other countries want what we got,(which is scarce now) let em come take it......if they dare! Sorry.....I'm venting again.

and YOUR the liberal DEMOCRAT..I'm confused..I thought you were the party that cared about people. My bad.

Should America not take care of their own people first before taking care of the rest of the world's people? You have people being murdered, raped, discriminated against, segregated and being suppressed of their rights on a daily basis.. do they not deserve help?

I think you're right. The US should stay home and deal with our own issues.

But, you're not going to complain when some arab countries attack Israel and Israel nukes a few of them off the face of the Earth, right?

Because Israel doesn't care. The only thing that holds them back is the US.

When Saddam was hurling Scuds at them in the first Gulf War and our Patriot Missiles were taking them out (for the most part) the only reason Israel did not act aggressively is because of the promise by the US that the issue would be resolved quickly; and it was.

When the fallout starts drifting over Canada, you're not going to complain are you?

Because you'd better be right, or that blood will be on your hands for urging such a disassociation in world affairs by the world's greatest power.

Canada can take care of itself, after all we can tell the difference between friendlies and enemies. :) Not to mention have a military which is far more technologically advanced.

Also the US is far from the worlds greatest power. With the way things stand right Russia and China could level you in a week tops. They've also made it know they wouldn't have an issue doing it either if you take your little crusade into Iran, not to mention keep up with your "missile shield."

Edit to add.. That last paragraph is interesting.. your stating that if something happens it would be her fault... Umm where is your proof of this?? Talk about defamation of character.

You like to make claims, but back them up with nothing. I'm still waiting to hear the majority of battles in both world wars Canada won. And would love to hear how Canadian military is more technologically advanced.

The Canadian army is 19,500 strong. They use the Leopard MBT which is certainly not more advanced than the Abrams (a little under 200 of those).

Most of their other land equipment is of American origin.

The Air Force has about 138 F-18s, also of American origin, or about as many as is on one US aircraft carrier.

So, I'm missing the part about technical superiority.

Neither Russia nor China has even anything close to the wherewithal to take on the US. To say they could do it in weeks is clueless.

As for the last statement, if one urges public policy and that policy is enacted, then one is responsible to some degree for the consequences.

If you bother to read what I said above you'll find that I said I'm not here to do your work, if you want the info get off your rear and get it yourself. It's publicly available if you know where to look and bother to take the time and try.

Edited on November 16, 2008 at 6:17 PM Quote

Jumpin-Jack-Flash

Reply by Jumpin-Jack-Flash on November 16, 2008 at 6:16 PM

LAngeloMysterioso wrote:What makes me think Canada is not high on the list?

Not to be arrogant, but to be honest, because it's not important enough to be high on the list.

Yes, it is a good place to try and enter from because of proximity.

The list would be something like, US, Israel, Britain, Germany, France, Russia, Italy, Australia, Netherlands then Canada.

HAHAHAHAHA You see it's people like you and your ignorance that gives your country a bad name.

I know the list and I know where Canada stands, as would you if you bothered to actually check your resources instead of pushing for someone to do the work for you.

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Reply by Jumpin-Jack-Flash on November 16, 2008 at 6:16 PM

enough said be warned though there could be possibly offensive material - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZMwKPmsbWE

Mind you ignorance posted in this thread could easily be taken as something much more offensive.

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BronxBruce

Reply by BronxBruceGOLD on November 16, 2008 at 6:22 PM

BronxBruce only has 70 songs

LAngeloMysterioso wrote:

Neither Russia nor China has even anything close to the wherewithal to take on the US. To say they could do it in weeks is clueless.

Wow. We no longer have to be concerned about the thousands of Russian nukes pointed at our country. What a relief. And we can also, apparently, breathe easier about a nation which has twice as many troops and 4 times as many people as us.

This is good news. Thanks for the info! Maybe we can cut military spending now.

Oh, and thanks for the thoughtful thread and for being such a wonderful ambassador for *Americans to the rest of the world represented on Singsnap. For the record, I don't think the rest of the world hates us, but I see you're doing your best to make that a reality.

*NOTE TO JACK - We are called Americans because the name of our country is The United States Of America. America is part of the name and that's why it's shortened to Americans Yes, it's a continent too. But I think that's one area where there's no ego involved.

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Reply by Jumpin-Jack-Flash on November 16, 2008 at 6:24 PM

BronxBruce wrote:
LAngeloMysterioso wrote:

Neither Russia nor China has even anything close to the wherewithal to take on the US. To say they could do it in weeks is clueless.

Wow. We no longer have to be concerned about the thousands of Russian nukes pointed at our country. What a relief. And we can also, apparently, breathe easier about a nation which has twice as many troops and 4 times as many people as us.

This is good news. Thanks for the info! Maybe we can cut military spending now.

Oh, and thanks for the thoughtful thread and for being such a wonderful ambassador for *Americans to the rest of the world represented on Singsnap. For the record, I don't think the rest of the world hates us, but I see you're doing your best to make that a reality.

*NOTE TO JACK - We are called Americans because the name of our country is The United States Of America. America is part of the name and that's why it's shortened to Americans Yes, it's a continent too. But I think that's one area where there's no ego involved.

I'm well aware of why you're called America's :P But acting like your all that matters in America is completely ego related.

Oh and I may not agree with everything you guys do, but if I "hated" you's I would have freely volunteered to go over seas and help you. I'm have a lot of good friends which are US citizens.

It's just the ignorance in which some of your citizens show is really nerve racking, however I think you can see that yourself. :)

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Spawn_Of_Kya

Reply by Spawn_Of_KyaGOLD on November 16, 2008 at 6:31 PM

Spawn_Of_Kya hi

LAngeloMysterioso wrote:What makes me think Canada is not high on the list?

Not to be arrogant, but to be honest, because it's not important enough to be high on the list.

Yes, it is a good place to try and enter from because of proximity.

The list would be something like, US, Israel, Britain, Germany, France, Russia, Italy, Australia, Netherlands then Canada.

Seriously.. what planet did you come from...

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LAngeloMysterioso

Reply by LAngeloMysterioso on November 16, 2008 at 6:31 PM

BronxBruce wrote:
LAngeloMysterioso wrote:

Neither Russia nor China has even anything close to the wherewithal to take on the US. To say they could do it in weeks is clueless.

Wow. We no longer have to be concerned about the thousands of Russian nukes pointed at our country. What a relief. And we can also, apparently, breathe easier about a nation which has twice as many troops and 4 times as many people as us.

This is good news. Thanks for the info! Maybe we can cut military spending now.

Oh, and thanks for the thoughtful thread and for being such a wonderful ambassador for *Americans to the rest of the world represented on Singsnap. For the record, I don't think the rest of the world hates us, but I see you're doing your best to make that a reality.

*NOTE TO JACK - We are called Americans because the name of our country is The United States Of America. America is part of the name and that's why it's shortened to Americans Yes, it's a continent too. But I think that's one area where there's no ego involved.

As we have thousands of nukes pointed at Russia and China. It's MAD.

How exactly is China going to get those twice as many troops here? By walking through the US navy with that all-powerful navy of theirs?

I'm sure you rankle at Americans pointing out the reality of what America has done for the world. How dare they.

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