10 questions that every intelligent Christian must answer

Do you want a point by point discussion or do you want a collective opinion of the video or do you want to challenge people's belief in Christianity without stating that is what you are doing?

I will gladly respond to the points in the video IF this thread is not another close-minded attempt to discredit faith.

What is your intent with this thread?

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Helen,
Do you want a discussion or do you want to discredit people's faith? Is that clearer?

Several threads in this folder are started for the purpose of discrediting faith. That's fine as long as it is known what the intent is. I'm seeking clarification before I respond in detail. Nothing more than that.

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It wasn't obvious or I would not have asked the question. I'm not attempting to make anyone look bad. If asking for clarification does that or seems that way to you, that is unfortunate.

That said, I have seen that video before. The crux of it is that on all 10 questions the answer presented starts off with "God is imaginary". If one does not believe in a supreme force as having abilities that supersede those we know of from a 5 senses perspective, of course a god or gods or God would be imaginary. That is the foundation of being atheist.

Any answer I give as to why there is not a different outcome for all the questions the video asks as it relates to my belief in a deity distills down to one thing. I believe that the deity (God) is a hands-off entity that does not micromanage. This extends to me also believing that what we humans feel is an answer to prayer is a result of our positive thinking efforts that make us more susceptible to obtaining positive outcomes. I do not believe it is divine intervention in the majority of cases.

Does this mean that the deity I have faith in is malevolent? Not at all. In fact, I believe the opposite. I believe it is a benevolent force. A force that provides a template for guidance for humans to follow with details filled in as we go along. This foundational template is one of goodness and an intent for mankind to have delight and beneficial things.

Mankind makes some really poor choices that result in a lot of things we can and do agree are unfortunate and undesirable. Amputation of limbs is one. Famine related hunger is another. In fact, all the questions asked in the video fit this profile. Does that mean there is not a beneficent God or that a god is imaginary? To me using critical thinking, they do not equate to the same. It is two different points of view. Neither of which can be proven.

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Oh gracious Helen. If I didn't challenge my beliefs and refine them constantly, I would not be able have any comfort at all in saying I have beliefs.

What specifically did it make you question if I can be so bold to ask? NOOOO That is not being snarky. I really do want to know.

I ask because I am constantly questioning what I believe. It is by hearing what others believe as well as study on my own that I come up with stuff I can say, "Yeah, that's what I believe".

You are totally right that nobody knows the answers. It is conjecture. BUT our beliefs are still there. We can accept them blindly (not my personal choice) or we can seek to get a little closer to whatever the truth really is (my choice of a path).

I love to discuss this stuff. Mostly because I know I don't really know shit when it comes down to it. I have ideas. I have hopes. I have wishes. I even have beliefs. But what I know ain't much. The only way I know to correct that sad state of affairs is to be open to discussions. THAT was why I was trying to be sure of you intent with this thread. I avoid threads in this folder that have a finite agenda and are not open for discussions. They annoy me because I do not want to accept what someone else thinks or believes without question. I want to work though stuff and come to my own conclusions. Which of course means I end up still knowing very little and have to keep seeking. :-)

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I didn't really like the slant and sarcasm of the video any more than I would have if the slant was against evolutionist - and there are PLENTY of videos/sites out there that use the same questioning techniques toward evolutionists with questions like, "where are the missing links?" and...well, the missing links are the biggest one.

However, the "missing links" question is not really a thinking question - the missing links are not there, but so what? According to what we have found, it is clear that a chain of events has occurred, and from what we know about genetics it would be more improbably if that chain of events didn't occur.

The questions in this video are not as cut and dry. Seeing that I do not give any divine credit to the bible, I can't really approach the questions as a believer. I do believe the questions make you think in that they bring to the surface some cognitive dissonance. When that happens, yes, people do tend to rationalize. I like that he's pointing this out - only wish he wasn't so snide.

I do think the body/blood question was stupid. There's nothing wrong with ritual. When not taken to extremes, it's simply cathartic. He even said it in the video, it's "symbolic."

And I don't think the maker of the film is being "intelligent" with his title - making assumptions about what "intelligence" is in a smug manner is - childish. "If you were smart, then you would know [this]. If you were intelligent, then you wouldn't be doing [that]." Sounds like he's trying to sell something.

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Step 2 in that video makes one HUGE mistake. It uses the insistence that the word "anything" is all inclusive. WRONG! The balance of the video is based on that incorrect premise.

The word "anything" in the Matthew reference is for anything that is EFFECTIVE and FRUITFUL. Testing out the existence of Jesus is unnecessary. There is plenty of evidence that already exists to prove Jesus was indeed a man. Whether one can accept the concept of Jesus becoming the Christ (resurrection) depends on if one is able to believe that the supposed witness listed in I Corinthians spoke truth or not.

Those individuals lived in a time when concrete evidence was the only way one could have any confidence of what was real and what wasn't. Similar to why I keep seeking today. But now there is a historical record of lives that did supposedly see a resurrected Jesus. Those peoples' lives carried forward the message of faith based upon their initial "proof".

Some folks today may need that same level of confirmation. However, it is a case for those that do believe in the precepts of Christianity believing that God already provided evidence and therefore it is unnecessary to do it again.

Where I am in my beliefs regarding Jesus as Christ is this. I like the idea of having a human connection to that deity that is beyond my comprehension. The hypothesis that Christ can provide me with a direct connection to G-D is appealing. Coz I sure as blazes can't seem to get that via my 5 senses efforts. There is something within me that does crave a connection with that force external to me. So, yeah, I will buy in to a degree on Jesus as Christ. Simply because it fits what I desire. Am I right? I dunno. It fills an emotional void for me and that for now is good enough. Do I keep looking for more and more evidence to confirm or negate that belief? Oh yeah.

Helen, I'm one of the last people in the world you should be asking for answers. I have few to none. What I do have is a desire to understand more than I do now. I take bits and pieces of MANY religions and systems of belief in a patchwork that allows me to have a sense of belonging in a cosmic sense. I use those beliefs to establish a code of standards for the kind of person I want to be. That's as far as I have gotten.

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Helen,
What that fella is doing is the same thing I find fault with in many churches. It is what I call cherry-picking. Instead of taking the whole of a passage, a single verse is used to support whatever position one wants to represent.

Another thing that this set of videos does is again similar to many or even most churches. They do not factor in the culture of the time when a passage was written. They also do not address to whom something is addressed.

Christianity is not alone in having some really screwball things if one dissects the Holy book for the religion. The Qur'an is another one. You can find in the Qur'an that it is permissible to beat your wife. BUT if you read it within context, you get a definition for what constitutes a beating AND you also find there are many more passages that instruct a husband on how to protect, cherish and honor his wife.

I'm gonna make you an offer. If there is a particular passage that is giving you the bellyache or even a particular verse, I will work WITH you to improve both of our understanding of that passage. We can do it via PM or public. All up to you.

What I don't want to see happen is that you totally discount the benefits of faith by picking bits and pieces that seem to be counter to what you want to believe or that you find appalling.

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Welshgoddess wrote:WEll to me, i need proof and evidence in order to believe in something. There is no actual proof that there is a God to be had...no-one has seen him, no-one has heard from his personally.... Same thing with Jesus. He says he can appear to anyone, if you ask him to appear to you, does he? No he doesn't. If someone is dying from a horrible disease and ask God to cure them, does he? Nope. etc. etc. etc. Those millions of children starving in the world, why doesn't he save them? Those people children dying in hospital of a dreadful disease, why doesn't he cure them!

He does! He's given man the brains and opportunity to do research and find cures for horrible diseases. He's given us the gifts of empathy and compassion so that we reach out and help starving people etc. etc.

God works through us

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I see...what about before universities?

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Hi Helen,

May I just say something about this video.

The man is quoting out of the old testament. He is quoting from exodus. He is taking about the 10 commandments.

quoting that we should put them to death for working on the sabbath.

The problem here the way I see it is this.

Once Jesus came these old laws are no longer what God intends us to do.

He came to fulfill the laws. I really think it is quite a bit more involved.

Being married to a Jew I can tell you this. The Jewish people still live under the old laws. And by the way not only 10 commandments but they live under over 650 laws handed down by God. It is impossible to do this. But they do not believe Jesus as their Messiah so they have no choice really.

I have spoken to my Mother In-Law about this many times.

She is open to discuss with me with no debates.

I have asked her one question. On Yum Kippur how do you know how long you need to stay in temple to attone for all of your sins of the year? She does not have the answer to that question.

So I say to her. That is why Jesus came. He is the passover lamb and he came to take away the sins of the world which would relieve you of your constant questions.

But again. It is the same as a gentile not believing in Jesus as their salvation.

I agree also with peachy that verses in the bible are taken out of context at times to suit someone to explain away our Lord.

:) Lara~ I would also like to add. Most people believe by faith and do not question every line written in the bible.

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Lara,
I happen to love to have discussion with peeps about the Torah and Tanakh. There are 613 specific laws and some minor sub-categories of some of those. I think it ends up being 667 in total but don't quote me on that. My memory is rusty.

Faith is that mystical part of any belief system. It cannot be proven.

Good points by all. Even if I think those videos are biased. Heck, so am I. ;-)

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Welshgoddess wrote:

scarlettohall wrote:I see...what about before universities?

Well before universities, they didn't know how to do those things did they.

Nope but the ability to learn them was there. Where did that come from? And please don't say their mummy and daddy. Coz if you do, I will ask where did that come from and so on.

This biz of faith tends to get back to origin. What caused "it" all to happen. The rest is details that humans have been trying to sort out ever since there were humans.

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yeah i like to think of us as gods little worker bee's. lol

i see proof every day that god exists- and many others do too...however there are just as many who dont view things the same as myself and others. to know god, to know jesus, is a meeting that takes place in your heart. i cant really explain it any other way. you just feel him. it isn't something i believe just because someone told me it was so. i experienced him. sometimes it seems like people think of jesus as a magician or something....people demand him to do this and do that in order to accept him and the whole concept of him. and if he doesn't do as they demand, they refuse him or any possibilities of him...they reject him immediately. when did us humans become the boss of everything? lol we don't rule the universe...we don't control time....but...

don't you think someone does? i mean everything didn't just pop up on its own here and in outter space....someone or something had to put everything in its place in order for everything to to work together as divine and unique as it does. including our own bodies. i mean people can say its science. and it is...but to me- its science created by god. maybe i am wrong, maybe i am right....i dont claim to have all the answers...but i do believe we will all come to find out the truth one day. even if the truth is revealed in the blink of an eye....and we're gone.

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Welshgoddess wrote:

scarlettohall wrote:I see...what about before universities?

Well before universities, they didn't know how to do those things did they.

Well, someone had to know something in order to get universities started

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Helen,
There seems to be 3 main groups of folks when it comes to this faith stuff.

1) Peeps that need concrete proof on everything and until that is available, they cannot believe something is possible.

2) Peeps that believe in a set of precepts that are defined by a foundational book such as The Bible, The Tanahk, The Qur'an, etc.

3) Peeps that ain't sure so they seek a means of finding something they can hang on to until they can get sure.

That is in essence, atheists, believers (not necessarily Christian) and agnostics. The specifics of what each of those 3 main groups believe varies by the individual. Well. that's my observations anyway. Could be wrong. I haven't observed every human. ;-)

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Welshgoddess wrote:

mistyeyes78 wrote:Hi Helen,

May I just say something about this video.

The man is quoting out of the old testament. He is quoting from exodus. He is taking about the 10 commandments.

quoting that we should put them to death for working on the sabbath.

The problem here the way I see it is this.

Once Jesus came these old laws are no longer what God intends us to do.

He came to fulfill the laws. I really think it is quite a bit more involved.

Being married to a Jew I can tell you this. The Jewish people still live under the old laws. And by the way not only 10 commandments but they live under over 650 laws handed down by God. It is impossible to do this. But they do not believe Jesus as their Messiah so they have no choice really.

I have spoken to my Mother In-Law about this many times.

She is open to discuss with me with no debates.

I have asked her one question. On Yum Kippur how do you know how long you need to stay in temple to attone for all of your sins of the year? She does not have the answer to that question.

So I say to her. That is why Jesus came. He is the passover lamb and he came to take away the sins of the world which would relieve you of your constant questions.

But again. It is the same as a gentile not believing in Jesus as their salvation.

I agree also with peachy that verses in the bible are taken out of context at times to suit someone to explain away our Lord.

:) Lara~ I would also like to add. Most people believe by faith and do not question every line written in the bible.

Hi Lara! Thankyou babes for your input.

I bet ya that everyone has commited a sin one time or another in our lives.....

But that man did quote what Jesus said aswell tho.

You're welcome Helen. To be honest. I did not watch the entire video as I found it to be a little belittling to people of faith.

Anyone can dissect the Bible and make it out to look like nothing more than a fairy tale.

Most believers. Believe by faith. They don't need signs or to have someone show them proof.

They just believe. I suppose that is where I fit in. :)

Lara~

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Welshgoddess wrote:

Welshgoddess wrote:Peachy, you're a Scientist right? What inspired you to become a Scientist? Were you interested in stuff like that as a child and wanted to learn more about it? Or do you believe that God made you one? lol

Peachy, can you answer this for me please hun. ;-)

Sorry Sweets. I was busy doing a few other things and just now saw this question.

Oh gracious Honey, I honestly do not know the answer to that question. Even when I was a toddler peeps would ask what I wanted to be when I grew up. My answer at the time would be "I wunna be surgeon". Some folks would ask why and my answer was "Dey fizz peeples fasts." Hey! I was only 2y/o so yeah, I talked even funnier than I do now.

Where did that desire come from? I have no clue. Nobody in my family was even well educated much less a professional. As time went on, I realized that I did not have the compassion I believe a doctor should have. I would have done the mechanics rather well but I would have only treated the disease/injury and not the whole person. I refused to do that. By this time I found I enjoyed the search in a methodical way for answers and science was a good fit for me. That worked for a very long time. Now, I still do the science thing in a way. I am a data analyst. I work with numbers looking for patterns and ways to answer questions. Still methodical and linear in thinking. BUT the thing I do that gives me the most jazz is a toss up between working with the abused kids on my web site and teaching college. Both of those give me a chance to help kids learn tools to sort out things. In a way, I guess you could say it is still that methodical approach but if you ask the kids in my classes if I am methodical, they will laugh at you.

If you ask when did I start to believe in a force external to myself, that is easier to answer. As far back as I have memories, I believed there was something bigger than me and I don't mean my mummy and daddy. I talked to "things" when I was a small child. Entities nobody else could see. I called them my friends. Those entities would give me insights into things that caused me to seem much more adult to the adults around than most kids. Was I insane? Maybe. Was it a figment of a very active imagination? Maybe. I don't believe that to be true. These "things" were as real to me as my Raggedy Ann doll I carried everywhere. That was my start. From then on, I have searched for the who, what, when, where and why as well as how of life ever since.

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Oh goodness what an annoying video... well I watched it the whole thing even though the monotone author of it was a bit boring and condescending.

That was really imo a very manipulative kind of video they use for marketing ideas.
What I mean is that throwing the words "smart, intelligent" around first of all to have you evaluate yourself and let the label resonate with your person and then imply that if you believe in God that you are not smart or intelligent at all, is a form of manipulation.

It was really poorly done, I could answer all those questions. God does not remove our circumstances but allows us to overcome through them by His power.

It is so important not to try to understand the spiritual things with the world's idea of logic. The Bible can be verified logically by artifacts and historical evidence but the words of the Spirit of God meant for the body of Christ will not mean anything to those who don't believe in Jesus.

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Bible can be verified logically by artifacts and historical evidence......Really, Is there link or something where can go to check this evidence out (please don't say the bible)

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Bodacioushahas wrote:Oh goodness what an annoying video... well I watched it the whole thing even though the monotone author of it was a bit boring and condescending.

That was really imo a very manipulative kind of video they use for marketing ideas.
What I mean is that throwing the words "smart, intelligent" around first of all to have you evaluate yourself and let the label resonate with your person and then imply that if you believe in God that you are not smart or intelligent at all, is a form of manipulation.

It was really poorly done, I could answer all those questions. God does not remove our circumstances but allows us to overcome through them by His power.

It is so important not to try to understand the spiritual things with the world's idea of logic. The Bible can be verified logically by artifacts and historical evidence but the words of the Spirit of God meant for the body of Christ will not mean anything to those who don't believe in Jesus.

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mistyeyes78 wrote:

Welshgoddess wrote:

mistyeyes78 wrote:Hi Helen,

May I just say something about this video.

The man is quoting out of the old testament. He is quoting from exodus. He is taking about the 10 commandments.

quoting that we should put them to death for working on the sabbath.

The problem here the way I see it is this.

Once Jesus came these old laws are no longer what God intends us to do.

He came to fulfill the laws. I really think it is quite a bit more involved.

Being married to a Jew I can tell you this. The Jewish people still live under the old laws. And by the way not only 10 commandments but they live under over 650 laws handed down by God. It is impossible to do this. But they do not believe Jesus as their Messiah so they have no choice really.

I have spoken to my Mother In-Law about this many times.

She is open to discuss with me with no debates.

I have asked her one question. On Yum Kippur how do you know how long you need to stay in temple to attone for all of your sins of the year? She does not have the answer to that question.

So I say to her. That is why Jesus came. He is the passover lamb and he came to take away the sins of the world which would relieve you of your constant questions.

But again. It is the same as a gentile not believing in Jesus as their salvation.

I agree also with peachy that verses in the bible are taken out of context at times to suit someone to explain away our Lord.

:) Lara~ I would also like to add. Most people believe by faith and do not question every line written in the bible.

Hi Lara! Thankyou babes for your input.

I bet ya that everyone has commited a sin one time or another in our lives.....

But that man did quote what Jesus said aswell tho.

You're welcome Helen. To be honest. I did not watch the entire video as I found it to be a little belittling to people of faith.

Anyone can dissect the Bible and make it out to look like nothing more than a fairy tale.

Most believers. Believe by faith. They don't need signs or to have someone show them proof.

They just believe. I suppose that is where I fit in. :)

Lara~

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kmonster420 wrote:

Bodacioushahas wrote:Oh goodness what an annoying video... well I watched it the whole thing even though the monotone author of it was a bit boring and condescending.

That was really imo a very manipulative kind of video they use for marketing ideas.
What I mean is that throwing the words "smart, intelligent" around first of all to have you evaluate yourself and let the label resonate with your person and then imply that if you believe in God that you are not smart or intelligent at all, is a form of manipulation.

It was really poorly done, I could answer all those questions. God does not remove our circumstances but allows us to overcome through them by His power.

It is so important not to try to understand the spiritual things with the world's idea of logic. The Bible can be verified logically by artifacts and historical evidence but the words of the Spirit of God meant for the body of Christ will not mean anything to those who don't believe in Jesus.

Bible can be verified logically by artifacts and historical evidence......Really, Is there link or something where can go to check this evidence out (please don't say the bible)

Oh absolutely!!! I stumbled across one looking to get educated about the book of Mormon actually. A friend informed me of this link.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2363703037907176107&ei=dAqeSImxC6ayqAPtnomLBw&q=bible+book+of+mormon

There are many others but that's a great video, even the Jewish rabbi's they spoke with who don't believe in Christ being Messiah attest to the authenticity of the Bible.

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Bible can be verified logically by artifacts and historical evidence......Really, Is there link or something where can go to check this evidence out (please don't say the bible) .....Got anything else? Shorter and to the point?

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kmonster420 wrote:Bible can be verified logically by artifacts and historical evidence......Really, Is there link or something where can go to check this evidence out (please don't say the bible) .....Got anything else? Shorter and to the point?

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/authenticity.html

You just have to search you will find many resources. Unlike other books written by various religions there is actual evidence on maps and through geneologies recording in written documents that the Biblical places and people existed.
There are the Dead Sea scrolls as well that are available to view.
It is much like the evidence they have of dinosaurs... it is right there for you to look at but you still have to believe.

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Bodacioushahas wrote:

kmonster420 wrote:Bible can be verified logically by artifacts and historical evidence......Really, Is there link or something where can go to check this evidence out (please don't say the bible) .....Got anything else? Shorter and to the point?

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/authenticity.html

You just have to search you will find many resources. Unlike other books written by various religions there is actual evidence on maps and through geneologies recording in written documents that the Biblical places and people existed.
There are the Dead Sea scrolls as well that are available to view.
It is much like the evidence they have of dinosaurs... it is right there for you to look at but you still have to believe.

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Concerning Moses in the desert http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33168 that's a cool little article with photos.

It is still being examined but it's a starting point...

http://www.thejctown.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=714&Itemid=161

I love www.snopes.com because they post the truth whether or not it rules in favor of religion.

some cool things to look at even if you don't get anything out of it other than it being something you haven't seen before.

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kmonster420 wrote:

Bodacioushahas wrote:

kmonster420 wrote:Bible can be verified logically by artifacts and historical evidence......Really, Is there link or something where can go to check this evidence out (please don't say the bible) .....Got anything else? Shorter and to the point?

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/authenticity.html

You just have to search you will find many resources. Unlike other books written by various religions there is actual evidence on maps and through geneologies recording in written documents that the Biblical places and people existed.
There are the Dead Sea scrolls as well that are available to view.
It is much like the evidence they have of dinosaurs... it is right there for you to look at but you still have to believe.

Ya so they knew where they lived and they mapped it...... Speaking of dinosaurs, you would think that the bible would mention these creatures. Judging by their size you think they would have played a major roll in day to day life......and the fact that human and dinosaur bones are not found to together...and
Why no proof in the desert of Moses's 40 years in the desert?

I believe the dinosaurs were referred to as beasts in the bible....doesn't mean i am right, doesn't mean i am wrong...it's just what "I" believe and thought i would throw that possibility out there since it was brought up.

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misscandieliscious wrote:

kmonster420 wrote:

Bodacioushahas wrote:

kmonster420 wrote:Bible can be verified logically by artifacts and historical evidence......Really, Is there link or something where can go to check this evidence out (please don't say the bible) .....Got anything else? Shorter and to the point?

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/authenticity.html

You just have to search you will find many resources. Unlike other books written by various religions there is actual evidence on maps and through geneologies recording in written documents that the Biblical places and people existed.
There are the Dead Sea scrolls as well that are available to view.
It is much like the evidence they have of dinosaurs... it is right there for you to look at but you still have to believe.

Ya so they knew where they lived and they mapped it...... Speaking of dinosaurs, you would think that the bible would mention these creatures. Judging by their size you think they would have played a major roll in day to day life......and the fact that human and dinosaur bones are not found to together...and
Why no proof in the desert of Moses's 40 years in the desert?

I believe the dinosaurs were referred to as beasts in the bible....doesn't mean i am right, doesn't mean i am wrong...it's just what "I" believe and thought i would throw that possibility out there since it was brought up.

I have a hard time believing that dinosaurs could co-exist with man and not eat them lol, even if Fido was a pet doesn't mean he wouldn't shred an arm off when playing fetch.
The Bible does talk about large beasts that were created before mankind.

It's not reasonable to think that the dinosaur fossils aren't real so I know at some point God did make them I just don't know why or if they were around with humans. There is some speculation that the earth was destroyed more than once as well.
In the big picture of the Gospel it doesn't really matter. Jesus didn't tell us that creation is the way the truth and the life.
On the other hand though... the La Brea Tarpits are pretty good indications that there was indeed a flood that wiped out them out.

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scarlettohall wrote:I see...what about before universities?

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Bodacioushahas wrote:

misscandieliscious wrote:

kmonster420 wrote:

Bodacioushahas wrote:

kmonster420 wrote:Bible can be verified logically by artifacts and historical evidence......Really, Is there link or something where can go to check this evidence out (please don't say the bible) .....Got anything else? Shorter and to the point?

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/authenticity.html

You just have to search you will find many resources. Unlike other books written by various religions there is actual evidence on maps and through geneologies recording in written documents that the Biblical places and people existed.
There are the Dead Sea scrolls as well that are available to view.
It is much like the evidence they have of dinosaurs... it is right there for you to look at but you still have to believe.

Ya so they knew where they lived and they mapped it...... Speaking of dinosaurs, you would think that the bible would mention these creatures. Judging by their size you think they would have played a major roll in day to day life......and the fact that human and dinosaur bones are not found to together...and
Why no proof in the desert of Moses's 40 years in the desert?

I believe the dinosaurs were referred to as beasts in the bible....doesn't mean i am right, doesn't mean i am wrong...it's just what "I" believe and thought i would throw that possibility out there since it was brought up.

I have a hard time believing that dinosaurs could co-exist with man and not eat them lol, even if Fido was a pet doesn't mean he wouldn't shred an arm off when playing fetch.
The Bible does talk about large beasts that were created before mankind.

It's not reasonable to think that the dinosaur fossils aren't real so I know at some point God did make them I just don't know why or if they were around with humans. There is some speculation that the earth was destroyed more than once as well.
In the big picture of the Gospel it doesn't really matter. Jesus didn't tell us that creation is the way the truth and the life.
On the other hand though... the La Brea Tarpits are pretty good indications that there was indeed a flood that wiped out them out.

lol i never said that dinosaurs existed AND never ate a single human lol...i am sure if they did exist together- many men and women were definately eaten and stomped on lol....and maybe human bones from back then don't exist because we go back....from dust to dust....???

i wonder how many dinosaur fossils can be found in the
GRAND CANYON? i mean if a meteor hit and caused the GRAND CANYON....the meteor would have had to either disinigrate the human race and the dinosaurs...or smashed them deep into the earth upon impact....and being that the dinosaurs were large and tall as buildings- maybe we are able to scrape up their bones first- because of their size- before we can reach deep down and get to our tiny little human bodies?

i dunno...lol i am just bored and felt like wondering what if type scenerio's lol

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A meteor didn't cause the grand canyon..... Great story but, I believe it was carved by the Colorado river over millions of years (not 6000 Yrs)

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A meteor didn't cause the grand canyon..... Great story but, I believe it was carved by the Colorado river over millions of years (not 6000 Yrs)

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