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BronxBruce

Posted by BronxBruceGOLD on November 15, 2008 at 4:45 PM

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You may have noticed a great deal of overheated rhetoric recently about our soon to be president, Barack Obama.

Although many saw his election as a sign that the United States was moving past the racial divide, there are signs that this is not entirely true.

Right leaning broadcasters like Rush Limbaugh have already begun blaming him for things though he is still two months from taking office. A right wing Congressman in Georgia compared his election to the election of Hitler. Right wing groups have spread hate mail accusing him of being the anti-christ and of believing that he is the messiah.

I can understand that people who did not support him are frustrated but the level of hatred aimed at him is off the charts.

People have begun to let their fears and racism run wild. I've witnessed it on many message boards here.

Read the article below. And, if you can, please take a breath and start rooting for America, not against it.

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BronxBruce

Reply by BronxBruceGOLD on November 15, 2008 at 4:46 PM

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Election spurs 'hundreds' of race threats, crimes


By JESSE WASHINGTON, AP National Writer Jesse Washington, Ap National Writer – 1 hr 40 mins ago

Cross burnings. Schoolchildren chanting "Assassinate Obama." Black figures hung from nooses. Racial epithets scrawled on homes and cars.

Incidents around the country referring to President-elect Barack Obama are dampening the postelection glow of racial progress and harmony, highlighting the stubborn racism that remains in America.

From California to Maine, police have documented a range of alleged crimes, from vandalism and vague threats to at least one physical attack. Insults and taunts have been delivered by adults, college students and second-graders.

There have been "hundreds" of incidents since the election, many more than usual, said Mark Potok, director of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate crimes.

One was in Snellville, Ga., where Denene Millner said a boy on the school bus told her 9-year-old daughter the day after the election: "I hope Obama gets assassinated." That night, someone trashed her sister-in-law's front lawn, mangled the Obama lawn signs, and left two pizza boxes filled with human feces outside the front door, Millner said.

She described her emotions as a combination of anger and fear.

"I can't say that every white person in Snellville is evil and anti-Obama and willing to desecrate my property because one or two idiots did it," said Millner, who is black. "But it definitely makes you look a little different at the people who you live with, and makes you wonder what they're capable of and what they're really thinking."

Potok, who is white, said he believes there is "a large subset of white people in this country who feel that they are losing everything they know, that the country their forefathers built has somehow been stolen from them."

Grant Griffin, a 46-year-old white Georgia native, expressed similar sentiments: "I believe our nation is ruined and has been for several decades and the election of Obama is merely the culmination of the change.

"If you had real change it would involve all the members of (Obama's) church being deported," he said.

Change in whatever form does not come easy, and a black president is "the most profound change in the field of race this country has experienced since the Civil War," said William Ferris, senior associate director of the Center for the Study of the American South at the University of North Carolina. "It's shaking the foundations on which the country has existed for centuries."

"Someone once said racism is like cancer," Ferris said. "It's never totally wiped out, it's in remission."

If so, America's remission lasted until the morning of Nov. 5.

The day after the vote hailed as a sign of a nation changed, black high school student Barbara Tyler of Marietta, Ga., said she heard hateful Obama comments from white students, and that teachers cut off discussion about Obama's victory.

Tyler spoke at a press conference by the Georgia chapter of the NAACP calling for a town hall meeting to address complaints from across the state about hostility and resentment. Another student, from a Covington middle school, said he was suspended for wearing an Obama shirt to school Nov. 5 after the principal told students not to wear political paraphernalia.

The student's mother, Eshe Riviears, said the principal told her: "Whether you like it or not, we're in the South, and there are a lot of people who are not happy with this decision."

Other incidents include:

_Four North Carolina State University students admitted writing anti-Obama comments in a tunnel designated for free speech expression, including one that said: "Let's shoot that (N-word) in the head." Obama has received more threats than any other president-elect, authorities say.

_At Standish, Maine, a sign inside the Oak Hill General Store read: "Osama Obama Shotgun Pool." Customers could sign up to bet $1 on a date when Obama would be killed. "Stabbing, shooting, roadside bombs, they all count," the sign said. At the bottom of the marker board was written "Let's hope someone wins."

_Racist graffiti was found in places including New York's Long Island, where two dozen cars were spray-painted; Kilgore, Texas, where the local high school and skate park were defaced; and the Los Angeles area, where swastikas, racial slurs and "Go Back To Africa" were spray painted on sidewalks, houses and cars.

_Second- and third-grade students on a school bus in Rexburg, Idaho, chanted "assassinate Obama," a district official said.

_University of Alabama professor Marsha L. Houston said a poster of the Obama family was ripped off her office door. A replacement poster was defaced with a death threat and a racial slur. "It seems the election brought the racist rats out of the woodwork," Houston said.

_Black figures were hanged by nooses from trees on Mount Desert Island, Maine, the Bangor Daily News reported. The president of Baylor University in Waco, Texas said a rope found hanging from a campus tree was apparently an abandoned swing and not a noose.

_Crosses were burned in yards of Obama supporters in Hardwick, N.J., and Apolacan Township, Pa.

_A black teenager in New York City said he was attacked with a bat on election night by four white men who shouted 'Obama.'

_In the Pittsburgh suburb of Forest Hills, a black man said he found a note with a racial slur on his car windshield, saying "now that you voted for Obama, just watch out for your house."

Emotions are often raw after a hard-fought political campaign, but now those on the losing side have an easy target for their anger.

"The principle is very simple," said BJ Gallagher, a sociologist and co-author of the diversity book "A Peacock in the Land of Penguins." "If I can't hurt the person I'm angry at, then I'll vent my anger on a substitute, i.e., someone of the same race."

"We saw the same thing happen after the 9-11 attacks, as a wave of anti-Muslim violence swept the country. We saw it happen after the Rodney King verdict, when Los Angeles blacks erupted in rage at the injustice perpetrated by 'the white man.'"

"It's as stupid and ineffectual as kicking your dog when you've had a bad day at the office," Gallagher said. "But it happens a lot."

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Associated Press writers Errin Haines, Jerry Harkavy, Jay Reeves, Johnny Taylor and researcher Rhonda Shafner contributed to this report.

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j3n_n_ju1c3

Reply by j3n_n_ju1c3GOLD on November 15, 2008 at 4:52 PM

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"It's as stupid and ineffectual as kicking your dog when you've had a bad day at the office," Gallagher said. "But it happens a lot."

That sums it up perfectly...
*shakes my head*

Thanks for sharing this Bruce

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singingrose

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Reply by singingroseGOLD on November 15, 2008 at 5:19 PM

That is a truly disturbing article. I wonder why we as a society cannot be civil. I find it interesting that these people-who probably call themselves good Christians-teach their kids so much hate. Kinda goes against Christian values or family values!

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Al-D-Man

Reply by Al-D-Man on November 15, 2008 at 5:37 PM

Racial intolerance is beyond my scope of understanding, I just don't get it. I thought America was built on the idea of freedom, and equality.When will we rise above the fears, and allow each of us to be free. We were supposed to be a shining beacon to the world, a place where any one can be what ever we want, if we try hard enough. Isn't that what we teach our children. Are we really so shallow, are we really so fearful of those who are a little different from ourselves. Intolerance is what's wrong with this world, not what's right with it. It's sad and it's based on ignorance.

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scarlettohall

Reply by scarlettohallGOLD on November 15, 2008 at 7:34 PM

scarlettohall wonders when the sanity will return

Where've you been, Al?

When has america really been about freedom and equality? Even in the beginning what did the first (white) americans do? They killed the natives and stole their land.

Singingrose, you're right...those are the people that go around telling everyone how Christian they are.

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Al-D-Man

Reply by Al-D-Man on November 15, 2008 at 8:42 PM

scarlettohall wrote:Where've you been, Al?

When has america really been about freedom and equality? Even in the beginning what did the first (white) americans do? They killed the natives and stole their land.

Singingrose, you're right...those are the people that go around telling everyone how Christian they are.

You sound a bit disgusted, and I think I note a touch of sarcasm. (which is cool). Are you saying I am wrong?..

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Wendy4321

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Reply by Wendy4321GOLD on November 15, 2008 at 9:16 PM

Al-D-Man, Hmmmmmmmmm America was built on FREEDOM, EQUALITY, PROSPERITY, ETC. so on and so on. WHY have people in other countries wanted to come to America? WHY have people (all races) from other countries come to America, done very well, made America their home, worked hard and have been very successful in doing so? They came here and neither ask or demanded anything. They are very grateful to be in the good ole United States.

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chidder

Reply by chidderGOLD on November 15, 2008 at 9:20 PM

chidder is bringing snap to it's knees, one laugh at a time :þ

Al-D-Man wrote:
scarlettohall wrote:Where've you been, Al?

When has america really been about freedom and equality? Even in the beginning what did the first (white) americans do? They killed the natives and stole their land.

Singingrose, you're right...those are the people that go around telling everyone how Christian they are.

You sound a bit disgusted, and I think I note a touch of sarcasm. (which is cool). Are you saying I am wrong?..


well, they practised on the Irish and the Scots first....

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scarlettohall

Reply by scarlettohallGOLD on November 15, 2008 at 9:33 PM

scarlettohall wonders when the sanity will return

Al-D-Man wrote:
scarlettohall wrote:Where've you been, Al?

When has america really been about freedom and equality? Even in the beginning what did the first (white) americans do? They killed the natives and stole their land.

Singingrose, you're right...those are the people that go around telling everyone how Christian they are.

You sound a bit disgusted, and I think I note a touch of sarcasm. (which is cool). Are you saying I am wrong?..

I am disgusted. No, not saying you're wrong..just that what america is "suppose" to be and what it "is" are two different things.

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scarlettohall

Reply by scarlettohallGOLD on November 15, 2008 at 9:35 PM

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Wendy4321 wrote:Al-D-Man, Hmmmmmmmmm America was built on FREEDOM, EQUALITY, PROSPERITY, ETC. so on and so on. WHY have people in other countries wanted to come to America? WHY have people (all races) from other countries come to America, done very well, made America their home, worked hard and have been very successful in doing so? They came here and neither ask or demanded anything. They are very grateful to be in the good ole United States.

Ask the native americans how they feel.

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Houston

Reply by HoustonGOLD on November 15, 2008 at 9:41 PM

Native Americans are the only ones I see with a legimate complaint.

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Al-D-Man

Reply by Al-D-Man on November 15, 2008 at 9:43 PM

scarlettohall wrote:
Al-D-Man wrote:
scarlettohall wrote:Where've you been, Al?

When has america really been about freedom and equality? Even in the beginning what did the first (white) americans do? They killed the natives and stole their land.

Singingrose, you're right...those are the people that go around telling everyone how Christian they are.

You sound a bit disgusted, and I think I note a touch of sarcasm. (which is cool). Are you saying I am wrong?..

I am disgusted. No, not saying you're wrong..just that what america is "suppose" to be and what it "is" are two different things.


I agree.. We have to make the difference. Decent people like you and I..

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Jacqui

Reply by JacquiNEWS-TEAM on November 15, 2008 at 10:13 PM

Wendy4321 wrote:Al-D-Man, Hmmmmmmmmm America was built on FREEDOM, EQUALITY, PROSPERITY, ETC. so on and so on......
Say WHAT??
Freedom, equality and prosperity for whom? Please do not try to rewrite history, Wendy. My forefathers will turn in their graves.

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scarlettohall

Reply by scarlettohallGOLD on November 15, 2008 at 10:17 PM

scarlettohall wonders when the sanity will return

Houston wrote:Native Americans are the only ones I see with a legimate complaint.

You should look a little harder

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eileen

Reply by eileenGOLD on November 15, 2008 at 10:45 PM

scarlettohall wrote:
Houston wrote:Native Americans are the only ones I see with a legimate complaint.

You should look a little harder

What is it that you disagree with in this statement Joanne? I actually agree with Hou, for a change!

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scarlettohall

Reply by scarlettohallGOLD on November 15, 2008 at 11:01 PM

scarlettohall wonders when the sanity will return

Well, I'll tell you Eileen. The way the Houston worded his comment. "Native Americans are the only ones with a legitamate complaint."...have we forgotten that America bought human beings and used them for slaves? How about women that had no rights for the longest time? What about Muslims who live here in America..the disrespect and prejudice that they have to endure? I think that there are many who have "legitimate" complaints.

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LAngeloMysterioso

Reply by LAngeloMysterioso on November 15, 2008 at 11:02 PM

scarlettohall wrote:
Wendy4321 wrote:Al-D-Man, Hmmmmmmmmm America was built on FREEDOM, EQUALITY, PROSPERITY, ETC. so on and so on. WHY have people in other countries wanted to come to America? WHY have people (all races) from other countries come to America, done very well, made America their home, worked hard and have been very successful in doing so? They came here and neither ask or demanded anything. They are very grateful to be in the good ole United States.

Ask the native americans how they feel.

Most Indians I know are pretty content. I only know a few. Are they protesting or something?

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Jacqui

Reply by JacquiNEWS-TEAM on November 15, 2008 at 11:03 PM

Fascinating Fact: The rhetoric in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence about liberty, freedom, being created equal, and so on, was seldom considered applicable to blacks, slave or free. Seen a subservient race, they were excluded from consideration as members of society and had few rights.

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LAngeloMysterioso

Reply by LAngeloMysterioso on November 15, 2008 at 11:07 PM

Jacqui wrote:Fascinating Fact: The rhetoric in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence about liberty, freedom, being created equal, and so on, was seldom considered applicable to blacks, slave or free. Seen a subservient race, they were excluded from consideration as members of society and had few rights.

The US ended slavery like 150 years ago didn't it?

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scarlettohall

Reply by scarlettohallGOLD on November 15, 2008 at 11:09 PM

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Yeah, LA..but, were they equal? Come on now..

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Jacqui

Reply by JacquiNEWS-TEAM on November 15, 2008 at 11:10 PM

Paul, I was responding to the misguided theory that the US was built on freedom, equality and prosperity.

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Reply by missmelissa23GOLD on November 15, 2008 at 11:15 PM

LAngeloMysterioso wrote:
scarlettohall wrote:
Wendy4321 wrote:Al-D-Man, Hmmmmmmmmm America was built on FREEDOM, EQUALITY, PROSPERITY, ETC. so on and so on. WHY have people in other countries wanted to come to America? WHY have people (all races) from other countries come to America, done very well, made America their home, worked hard and have been very successful in doing so? They came here and neither ask or demanded anything. They are very grateful to be in the good ole United States.

Ask the native americans how they feel.

Most Indians I know are pretty content. I only know a few. Are they protesting or something?


native american teenagers have the highest suicide rate.

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LAngeloMysterioso

Reply by LAngeloMysterioso on November 15, 2008 at 11:19 PM

scarlettohall wrote:Yeah, LA..but, were they equal? Come on now..

Well, no, but if you look at the time we're talking about......

Britain still was under a monarchy.

Most European countries didn't need black slaves, they had white ones.

Most slaves were sold to whites by blacks. Otherwise they would have killed them.

Women weren't voting anywhere.

Most Indians in North America were dying from disease rather than the gun.

In South America and Mexico they really were killing them.

That's the way things were then. Everywhere. It doesn't change the fact that the US was an amazing leap in the freedom of humankind.

I'm just saying that's what I have learned from reading history.

(response to Jacqui too)

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LAngeloMysterioso

Reply by LAngeloMysterioso on November 15, 2008 at 11:22 PM

missmelissa23 wrote:
LAngeloMysterioso wrote:
scarlettohall wrote:
Wendy4321 wrote:Al-D-Man, Hmmmmmmmmm America was built on FREEDOM, EQUALITY, PROSPERITY, ETC. so on and so on. WHY have people in other countries wanted to come to America? WHY have people (all races) from other countries come to America, done very well, made America their home, worked hard and have been very successful in doing so? They came here and neither ask or demanded anything. They are very grateful to be in the good ole United States.

There is a lot of alchoholism

Ask the native americans how they feel.

Most Indians I know are pretty content. I only know a few. Are they protesting or something?


native american teenagers have the highest suicide rate.


The highest suicide rates in US cities are those with the highest listenership of country music :).

There is a lot of alcoholism among the Indian population, especially on reservations. Maybe that has something to do with it. It's a big problem.

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Jacqui

Reply by JacquiNEWS-TEAM on November 15, 2008 at 11:24 PM

So, are you saying that America was built on freedom, equality and prosperity? Coz you lost me!

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scarlettohall

Reply by scarlettohallGOLD on November 15, 2008 at 11:25 PM

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True..that is the way the times were..I agree with that but, it still doesn't make it RIGHT. And, to say that America was built on Freedom, Equality, and Prosperity...that's just a little much. The only reason anyone came to america to start with was so they could practice whatever religion they chose to. Before that shipping someone to america was a punishment. LOL

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Jacqui

Reply by JacquiNEWS-TEAM on November 15, 2008 at 11:26 PM

LAngeloMysterioso wrote:.....
The highest suicide rates in US cities are those with the highest listenership of country music :)........
Come on!! I think country music is the biggest percentage of Singsnap's library too. Trevor, we have a problem! Lol!

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LAngeloMysterioso

Reply by LAngeloMysterioso on November 15, 2008 at 11:27 PM

Jacqui wrote:So, are you saying that America was built on freedom, equality and prosperity? Coz you lost me!

I would say, FOR THOSE TIMES, it was.

Remember, Britain had colonies all over the world, as did the rest of the European powers.

People were subjugated and exploited all over the planet.

The American Revolution was an example of breaking that dominance. It was actually a huge departure from the norm of the way things were then.

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scarlettohall

Reply by scarlettohallGOLD on November 15, 2008 at 11:27 PM

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Hey!!! I take that as an insult!

^^The country music part

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LAngeloMysterioso

Reply by LAngeloMysterioso on November 15, 2008 at 11:33 PM

Well, it wasn't right as we see right today.

Back then it was whoever was stronger got the good stuff. Just ask the Irish.

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Jacqui

Reply by JacquiNEWS-TEAM on November 15, 2008 at 11:33 PM

Paul, I cannot agree with you. Maybe it was par for the course with the times then, but that would mean a portion of the population was not worth being counted in the freedom, equality and prosperity. MY ancestors, Paul. Some died trying to be free, some died creating prosperity for the free. But they were neither free, equal, nor were they prosperous.

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LAngeloMysterioso

Reply by LAngeloMysterioso on November 15, 2008 at 11:34 PM

scarlettohall wrote:Hey!!! I take that as an insult!

^^The country music part

Just stating what I heard. Come to think of it, hearing country music has made me want to kill myself a couple of times ;).

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Jacqui

Reply by JacquiNEWS-TEAM on November 15, 2008 at 11:35 PM

scarlettohall wrote:Hey!!! I take that as an insult!

^^The country music part

Lol!! I like the stuff too, and I am not suicidal.;-)

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scarlettohall

Reply by scarlettohallGOLD on November 15, 2008 at 11:35 PM

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:( that makes me sad..very sad!

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LAngeloMysterioso

Reply by LAngeloMysterioso on November 15, 2008 at 11:36 PM

Jacqui wrote:Paul, I cannot agree with you. Maybe it was par for the course with the times then, but that would mean a portion of the population was not worth being counted in the freedom, equality and prosperity. MY ancestors, Paul. Some died trying to be free, some died creating prosperity for the free. But they were neither free, equal, nor were they prosperous.

Not saying any of that was right. It's just how things were then. That doesn't change the fact that the US was a radical departure from what was normal then.

Letting the common man decide who would rule was a radical notion.

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LAngeloMysterioso

Reply by LAngeloMysterioso on November 15, 2008 at 11:37 PM

scarlettohall wrote::( that makes me sad..very sad!

Don't be sad Wildcat. You can enjoy country music all you like. It's still there. Just don't listen around any firearms ;).

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Reply by MandyFORUM-MODERATOR on November 16, 2008 at 6:06 AM

LAngeloMysterioso wrote:Britain still was under a monarchy

We still are...not that they have any real power nowadays, but still...

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Houston

Reply by HoustonGOLD on November 17, 2008 at 9:30 AM

eileen wrote:
scarlettohall wrote:
Houston wrote:Native Americans are the only ones I see with a legimate complaint.

You should look a little harder

What is it that you disagree with in this statement Joanne? I actually agree with Hou, for a change!

eileen...I'm anything but liberal...really!

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Houston

Reply by HoustonGOLD on November 17, 2008 at 9:33 AM

scarlettohall wrote:Well, I'll tell you Eileen. The way the Houston worded his comment. "Native Americans are the only ones with a legitamate complaint."...have we forgotten that America bought human beings and used them for slaves? How about women that had no rights for the longest time? What about Muslims who live here in America..the disrespect and prejudice that they have to endure? I think that there are many who have "legitimate" complaints.

Maybe a bad choice of words...sorry.........Women can VOTE ? I don't have any slaves and I don't know any Muslims.

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Al-D-Man

Reply by Al-D-Man on November 17, 2008 at 11:08 AM

Complain all you want on how it used to be.. Thank God that the world is getting more civilized. Women can now vote here in the United States. We no longer have chattel slavery. We are not trying to wipe out the native population with a policy of imperialistic expansion. There are parts of the world where these things have gotten no better. In many middle eastern countries women have no rights and are considered property. Many children in this world still work in sweat shops for pennies a day. Genocide is happening in Dar fur. If you can look around right now and realize that you now have it better than your ancestors did, then maybe we have made things a little better.

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UFOz8MyGoat

Reply by UFOz8MyGoatGOLD on November 21, 2008 at 7:30 AM

anyone seen my birth certificate??

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A10cgirl

Reply by A10cgirlGOLD on November 21, 2008 at 1:28 PM

UFOz8MyGoat wrote:anyone seen my birth certificate??

No...but I believe I can get you one pretty quick if you need it...just tell me which state you want to be born in....LOL

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Reply by pamplemusGOLD on November 21, 2008 at 1:53 PM

it is so nice to see unbridled and untempered enthusiasm for the president elect. to know him is to love him and for those who do not or in any way have any reservations about either his ability or intentions to save us and the planet i say a pox on their houses. john mccain would have reinstituted fascism and exported nuclear war to iran, and when he died of a heart attack that crazy culturally illiterate cow palin would have taken us into a mad house of antiabortion far right wing religious insanity. the country is safe now that barack is leading us and i would thank god for it if there were one...

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UFOz8MyGoat

Reply by UFOz8MyGoatGOLD on November 21, 2008 at 1:56 PM

we get to see what he is really about not what he said he was about llol

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UFOz8MyGoat

Reply by UFOz8MyGoatGOLD on November 21, 2008 at 1:57 PM

just shut up and deal with it right even if it goes against everything you believe in

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UFOz8MyGoat

Reply by UFOz8MyGoatGOLD on November 21, 2008 at 2:03 PM

He's A christian and hired a muslim sympathizer and a Gay bishop
A dirty politician from Chicago known for the same (dirty politics) He misplaced his birth certificate lol
He said he would be alot of things yet He's moving in a very different direction already
Promised to be sympathetic to Pro-life,israel,Immigrants and about everything else possible lol
ya i'm on board for sure... Not!
he's a socialist

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DarcyDoo

Reply by DarcyDooGOLD on November 21, 2008 at 3:41 PM

BronxBruce wrote:

People have begun to let their fears and racism run wild. I've witnessed it on many message boards here.

Bruce, I think unfortunately, especially after visiting this thread today it appears that there won't soon be any quelling of the paranoia and racism any time soon.

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UFOz8MyGoat

Reply by UFOz8MyGoatGOLD on November 21, 2008 at 3:45 PM

everyone's a paranoid racist because they disagree with you darcy lol

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UFOz8MyGoat

Reply by UFOz8MyGoatGOLD on November 21, 2008 at 3:45 PM

paranoid delusional racist

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UFOz8MyGoat

Reply by UFOz8MyGoatGOLD on November 21, 2008 at 3:47 PM

you never answered why the president elect hired a Palestinian sympathizer isn't Israel on our side that was down right american

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