"A GREAT DEBATE"

G'nite!

P.S.

Facts can be corrected. Opinions are debated!

Hi Bob ;-)

I would not say it was a " great debate " ,it was a debate though.
I think the young man put his point across in an intelligent enough way,I don't think that the priest did a very good job though.

1: the priest was correct to point out that his thoughts on the matter are really Gods thoughts and not his own thoughts,....

2: any gay person can look up the scriptures for themselves to see Gods point of view on the subject...probably the reason why so many gay folk do not like the scriptures or simply would rather not believe in a God

3: when the priest says that he loves people and wants them to go to Heaven is he forgetting that people need to die first ?,.that's not love,.Jesus died so that we may live...remember Adam and Eve were created to live,it was not Gods purpose for Adam and Eve to die and go to Heaven,their deaths only came about because of their own actions,..God said to Adam and Eve that if they did a certain thing that they would die,.its only logical then to assume then that if they did not do a certain thing then they would continue to live,death would not then have been an option,.remembering that death was the punishment for sin,therefore if there was no sin then there is no punishment meaning no death..dying and going to Heaven was an option after Adam and Eve sinned,..

so,with this information at hand we must ask ourselves the question " what was Gods purpose in creating Adam and Eve ? ( mankind )" ,..according to the bible it certainly was not for them and their offspring to die and go to Heaven,.it is clear from the bible that Adam and Eve had the option to live or die,and by their actions they chose death and passed that death sentence to every human being after them..

Jesus was the second Adam,and by His actions He has given back to every human being the option to live,in effect Jesus has reversed the consequences of Adam and Eve's wrong decision.

so when the priest said that he hopes everyone goes to Heaven he is hoping that everyone dies.

Jesus is saying that if we believe and have faith in Him then sometime in the future no one alive will ever have to die again. making null and void Adam and Eve's death sentence.

Jesus sacrifice gives everyone the opportunity of a complete pardon from Adam and Eve's death sentence.

hello everyone,may Everyone have a wonderful time of celebration of the birth of our gracious and all-giving savior *J*E*S*U*S**C*H*R*I*S*T*.I scanned this topic yesterday and thought to myself,no I'm going to stay clear of it.why it's close to CHRISTmas. peace and good-will to all,yes indeed,without further ado,here goes,a Holy and Just GOD Created male and female(Adam and Eve,not adam and steve).a Just and Holy GOD created love and HOLY matrimony.think what you will,those that are unbeliever's,fence straddlers,whoever,if one does'nt understand GODLY spirituallity,you may not believe it or like what i'm about to say.I've had a calling on my life since the age of 11.I ran from GOD and traveled the broad highway of sin and destruction until a few short month's ago.,I love all soul's,I don't want anyone to go to hell,dying in their sin's.I said these thing's above for one purpose,THE lORD give's me dream's,in other word's,sermon's,messages at time's,(ah yes,i know the unbeliever's,new ager's lukewarm seeker sensitive type's will call me everything negative that they can lay their tongues to)all I can say is bring it on.these precept's are not mine,but ALMIGHTY GOD'S.satan's aim was in the beginning to copy-cat everything that GOD created,the bride of CHRIST is the church,THE Savior of the world JESUS CHRIST IS the groom.satan is attempting to pervert a HOLY and honorable institution.the holy spirit of GOD speak's these word's( his word is TRUTH)-..2timothy3:3.without natural affection,truce breaker's,false accusers,incontinent,fierce,despiser's of those that are good...1corinthian's 6:9,know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven?be not deceived,neither fornicator's,nor idolaters,nor adulterers,nor effeminate(not necessarily an active homosexual).,nor abuser's of mankind...deuteronomy 22:5the woman shall not wear what pertaineth to a man,neither shall a man put on a woman's garment,for all that do so are an abomination unto the Lord thy GOD...Leviticus18:22,thou shalt not lie with man-kind,as with woman-kind,it is an abomination..Jude1:7 even as sodom and gomorra,and the cities about them in like manner,giving themselves over to fornication,and going after strange flesh,are set forth as an example,suffering the vengeance of eternal fire...ROMAN'S1:24-28..wherefore,God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lust's of their own heart's,to dishonor their own bodies between themselves..who changed the truth of God into a lie,and worshipped and served the creature more than the creator,who is blessed forever Amen..for this cause,God gave them up unto vile affection's,for even their women did change their natural use into that which is against nature..and also likewise the men,leaving the natural use of a woman,burned in their lust's one toward another,men with men,working that which is unseemly,and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet..and even as they did not like to retain GOD in their knowledge,God gave them over to a reprobate mind,to do those thing's which are not convenient.

hello everyone,may Everyone have a wonderful time of celebration of the birth of our gracious and all-giving savior *J*E*S*U*S**C*H*R*I*S*T*.I scanned this topic yesterday and thought to myself,no I'm going to stay clear of it.why it's close to CHRISTmas. peace and good-will to all,yes indeed,without further ado,here goes,a Holy and Just GOD Created male and female(Adam and Eve,not adam and steve).a Just and Holy GOD created love and HOLY matrimony.think what you will,those that are unbeliever's,fence straddlers,whoever,if one does'nt understand GODLY spirituallity,you may not believe it or like what i'm about to say.I've had a calling on my life since the age of 11.I ran from GOD and traveled the broad highway of sin and destruction until a few short month's ago.,I love all soul's,I don't want anyone to go to hell,dying in their sin's.I said these thing's above for one purpose,THE lORD give's me dream's,in other word's,sermon's,messages at time's,(ah yes,i know the unbeliever's,new ager's lukewarm seeker sensitive type's will call me everything negative that they can lay their tongues to)all I can say is bring it on.these precept's are not mine,but ALMIGHTY GOD'S.satan's aim was in the beginning to copy-cat everything that GOD created,the bride of CHRIST is the church,THE Savior of the world JESUS CHRIST IS the groom.satan is attempting to pervert a HOLY and honorable institution.the holy spirit of GOD speak's these word's( his word is TRUTH)-..2timothy3:3.without natural affection,truce breaker's,false accusers,incontinent,fierce,despiser's of those that are good...1corinthian's 6:9,know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven?be not deceived,neither fornicator's,nor idolaters,nor adulterers,nor effeminate(not necessarily an active homosexual).,nor abuser's of mankind...deuteronomy 22:5the woman shall not wear what pertaineth to a man,neither shall a man put on a woman's garment,for all that do so are an abomination unto the Lord thy GOD...Leviticus18:22,thou shalt not lie with man-kind,as with woman-kind,it is an abomination..Jude1:7 even as sodom and gomorra,and the cities about them in like manner,giving themselves over to fornication,and going after strange flesh,are set forth as an example,suffering the vengeance of eternal fire...ROMAN'S1:24-28..wherefore,God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lust's of their own heart's,to dishonor their own bodies between themselves..who changed the truth of God into a lie,and worshipped and served the creature more than the creator,who is blessed forever Amen..for this cause,God gave them up unto vile affection's,for even their women did change their natural use into that which is against nature..and also likewise the men,leaving the natural use of a woman,burned in their lust's one toward another,men with men,working that which is unseemly,and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet..and even as they did not like to retain GOD in their knowledge,God gave them over to a reprobate mind,to do those thing's which are not convenient.

Sabathiel,have you not read the new testament,homosexuallity is very much condemned in several passages.

Sabathiel,have you not read the new testament,homosexuallity is very much condemned in several passages.v2loveemotions

I said the NT does condemn homosexuality. What makes you think I say it is not condemned in the NT?

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Having said that I believe that homosexual acts are unnatural acts because they are against the laws of nature as Paul said...

sabathiel

I said this from the NT.

sorry bro,my mistake

...All the above remained the case for hundreds or even thousands of years until the New Testament. Jesus did not say anything about sexual immoralities but Paul did. Paul often spoke about sexual immoralities in general and specifically. Paul spoke about both male and female homosexuality as sins and unnatural acts and strongly spoke against them...sabathiel

I also said this about the NT as written by Paul. Clearly I said the NT says homosexuality is a sin. What I said is that the Old Testament doesn't say anything about lesbianism. Only about homosexuality between men.

sorry bro,my mistakev2loveemotions

That's OK you must have missed it because I typed a lot of things and it is easy to miss some things.

hello everyone,may Everyone have a wonderful time of celebration of the birth of our gracious and all-giving savior *J*E*S*U*S**C*H*R*I*S*T*.I scanned this topic yesterday and thought to myself,no I'm going to stay clear of it.why it's close to CHRISTmas. peace and good-will to all,v2loveemotions

interestingly enough it is actually peace on earth to men of good will. Not peace on earth good will toward men. I think that can definitely tie into this topic.

Luke 2:14
Glory to God in the highest; and on earth peace to men of good will.

Iwas'nt quoting,I was saying it in my own way friend,you understand,have a great CHRISTmas

Iwas'nt quoting,I was saying it in my own way friend,you understand,have a great CHRISTmasv2loveemotions

Well most people actually do think it is peace on earth good will toward men, because the protestant bible versions translate it this way. I was merely pointing out regardless of who said it that the Angel said peace on earth only to men of good will, and not peace on earth and good will to all men.

Ok I like the priest's answers. Well done. the Kevin guy doesn't show his intelligence in my opinion. Just his vanity and lack of maturity. I was very surprised to see him say he prefers to love the people of this world more than God. I at that moment thought of St. Teresa of the Andes in the movie "Teresa de los Andes" when she spoke of marriage and loving another person in that way. She said she couldn't possibly give her love to someone she knows one day may stop loving her. God never stops loving us and so she chose to become a Carmelita :). By the way, it's my all time favorite movie. I highly recommend it to everyone. Think you can order it on Amazon now.

Back to subject....
Ana,I agree with your post 100%,as this Priest let Kevin know the truth,instead of beating around the bush,and that showed much love...

Many Blessings to you,just as this Holy midnight Mass is starting,Bob+++BobAmodeo

yes. It is a rare thing to see a priest so boldly proclaim the truth these days. We need more St. John Fishers in our world :)

Iwas'nt quoting,I was saying it in my own way friend,you understand,have a great CHRISTmasv2loveemotions

Well most people actually do think it is peace on earth good will toward men, because the protestant bible versions translate it this way. I was merely pointing out regardless of who said it that the Angel said peace on earth only to men of good will, and not peace on earth and good will to all men.VAportagoose

Well,.the bible I use is not catholic,it translates that scripture as =

14 ‘Glory to God in the highest heaven,
and on earth peace among those whom He favours!

therefore I do not see a problem in studying a bible that is not produced for catholics...unless of course that you think only " catholic " bibles translate accurately and all other translations are heretical,..which would only prove that you are biased and stuck in the traditions of old.

well of course I believe the other translations are inaccurate and heretical, or I wouldn't be Catholic and I would be reading those translations instead of my Douay Rheims. And I am gladly stuck on the traditions of old :)

King James Bible
Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

American King James Version
Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

this alone shows pretty well the inaccuracy, as yours says something and means something entirely different, as does mine.

The bible I study may use different words,..but,.I think they mean the same ,.the point being Glory belongs to God.and because we have good will we have Gods favour leading to peace among us.

Iwas'nt quoting,I was saying it in my own way friend,you understand,have a great CHRISTmasv2loveemotions

Well most people actually do think it is peace on earth good will toward men, because the protestant bible versions translate it this way. I was merely pointing out regardless of who said it that the Angel said peace on earth only to men of good will, and not peace on earth and good will to all men.VAportagoose

Well,.the bible I use is not catholic,it translates that scripture as =

14 ‘Glory to God in the highest heaven,
and on earth peace among those whom He favours!

therefore I do not see a problem in studying a bible that is not produced for catholics...unless of course that you think only " catholic " bibles translate accurately and all other translations are heretical,..which would only prove that you are biased and stuck in the traditions of old.T-T-M

Tommy I think your version is more like the Catholic version than the other protestant versions VA pointed out above.

Who are the favored men? I think God loves all men, however, the scripture does not say that rather favors a group who do the will of God.

Douay Rheims

Luke 2:14
Glory to God in the highest; and on earth peace to men of good will.

Luke 2:14 ‘Glory to God in the highest heaven,
and on earth peace among those whom He favours!

I also use a Catholic version of the bible which has 72 books compared to Protestant 66 books.

Well Karen,.that scripture only mentions men,.but we know God is talking about women too,...I think God does favour men and women who have good will,that is why He blesses them,.God does not bless people who are deliberately wicked.

to vaportagoose,AGAIN,I was only putting in my own frame of word's,no need to nit-pick on this great day that our lord and savior's birth is celebrated(actually he was born on a wednesday during the month of september),the Son of God,Jesus came in human form,born to a righteous and spiritually up-standing young virgin in whom was as human as you and I,not to be worshipped by other human's

Bob,..who's body did the centurion place in the midst of the fire, and consumed it ?

oh,.I see now,.its Polycarp ;-)

Hi Loveemotions, Merry Christmas to you and family...

I hope you don't mind me stating something from the Catholic Church about worshipping other humans,We Don't,and never did.....That would be a sin...

Intercessory Power and Veneration of the Saints
"hat it is neither possible for us ever to forsake Christ, who suffered for the salvation of such as shall be saved throughout the whole world (the blameless one for sinners), nor to worship any other. For Him indeed, as being the Son of God, we adore; but the martyrs, as disciples and followers of the Lord, we worthily love on account of their extraordinary affection towards their own King and Master, of whom may we also be made companions and fellow disciples! The centurion then, seeing the strife excited by the Jews, placed the body in the midst of the fire, and consumed it. Accordingly, we afterwards took up his bones, as being more precious than the most exquisite jewels, and more purified than gold, and deposited them in a fitting place, whither, being gathered together, as opportunity is allowed us, with joy and rejoicing, the Lord shall grant us to celebrate the anniversary of his martyrdom, both in memory of those who have already finished their course, and for the exercising and preparation of those yet to walk in their steps." Martyrdom of Polycarp 17,18 (A.D. 157).

Many Blessings to all,I do hope you can truly understand what this means....Bob+++

This scripture points very clearly to the lessons we learn from Mary, the Saints and saints and to all who give glory and honor to God.

1 Corinthians 11
1 Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.

St. Paul speaking about fathers *on earth, and those who we should learn from.

Paul’s Appeal and Warning
1 Corinthians 4:14 I am writing this not to shame you but to warn you as my dear children. 15 Even if you had ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel. 16 Therefore I urge you to imitate me. 17 For this reason I have sent to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church. 18 Some of you have become arrogant, as if I were not coming to you. 19 But I will come to you very soon, if the Lord is willing, and then I will find out not only how these arrogant people are talking, but what power they have. 20 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power. 21 What do you prefer? Shall I come to you with a rod of discipline, or shall I come in love and with a gentle spirit?

I read onto this about Jesus in Holy Eucharist at communion.

Correcting an Abuse of the Lord’s Supper
1 Corinthians 17 In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good. 18 In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. 19 No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval. 20 So then, when you come together, it is not the Lord’s Supper you eat, 21 for when you are eating, some of you go ahead with your own private suppers. As a result, one person remains hungry and another gets drunk. 22 Don’t you have homes to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God by humiliating those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you? Certainly not in this matter!
23 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. 31 But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment. 32 Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world.

33 So then, my brothers and sisters, when you gather to eat, you should all eat together. 34 Anyone who is hungry should eat something at home, so that when you meet together it may not result in judgment.

And when I come I will give further directions

Just two things why we are called to be Catholic.

This IS Jesus that we share. The bread of life!

1 Corinthians 27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

Sharing the body and blood of Jesus Christ is a act of reconciliation with Jesus Christ (for our sins we are sorry) and nourishment of His Spirit. We believe in the real presence of Jesus, who died for our sins. As we receive Christ's Body and Blood, (discernment of Jesus Christ) we also are nourished spiritually and brought closer to God.

Karen,..when you said above = " Just two things why we are called to be Catholic." ..do you mean that you were called to be " Catholic " or your parents were called to be " Catholic " ?

who is it that is / was " called " to be Catholic ?

The only way we " are nourished spiritually and brought closer to God." is by studying His word and applying what we learn to our lives.

Tommy, It happens that my parents brought to me the gift of the church by baptizing me and keeping me in the faith, and as I grew up and learned about it the more I have appreciated it. I've always gone to church, to experience the presence of Jesus Christ.

The only way we " are nourished spiritually and brought closer to God." is by studying His word and applying what we learn to our lives.T-T-M

Do you really believe this, that the word is the only way? Can not the things we see and do in our lives bring us closer to Jesus?

Adds: doesn't God bring us closer to God?

Tommy, It happens that my parents brought to me the gift of the church by baptizing me and keeping me in the faith, and as I grew up and learned about it the more I have appreciated it. I've always gone to church, to experience the presence of Jesus Christ. prettykaren

What if your parents were wrong ?
I dont mean to be disrespectful,..but ?

Tommy, It happens that my parents brought to me the gift of the church by baptizing me and keeping me in the faith, and as I grew up and learned about it the more I have appreciated it. I've always gone to church, to experience the presence of Jesus Christ. prettykaren

What if your parents were wrong ?
I dont mean to be disrespectful,..but ?T-T-M

I don't believe they were wrong. I've never experienced anything that tells me they were wrong, more I have only experienced reaffirmations that they were right.

The only way we " are nourished spiritually and brought closer to God." is by studying His word and applying what we learn to our lives.T-T-M

Do you really believe this, that the word is the only way? Can not the things we see and do in our lives bring us closer to Jesus?prettykaren

Gods word is the way to bring us close,..then closer to Him,..it is able to cut right to our heart,.........or our pump as Paco would describe our heart ;-)

Look I just wanted to share this and now I leave to rejoin my family, I gave these example in scriptures because I still se so many doubters, I guess there will always be. People can work the scriptures the way they want, but this is what Catholics believe because of scripture.

The only way we " are nourished spiritually and brought closer to God." is by studying His word and applying what we learn to our lives.T-T-M

Do you really believe this, that the word is the only way? Can not the things we see and do in our lives bring us closer to Jesus?prettykaren

Gods word is the way to bring us close,..then closer to Him,..it is able to cut right to our heart,.........or our pump as Paco would describe our heart ;-)T-T-M

Yes and scripture tells us to discern Jesus Christ in the bread that we share for nourishment as we gather as a church. Or else eat at home.

Tommy, It happens that my parents brought to me the gift of the church by baptizing me and keeping me in the faith, and as I grew up and learned about it the more I have appreciated it. I've always gone to church, to experience the presence of Jesus Christ. prettykaren

What if your parents were wrong ?
I dont mean to be disrespectful,..but ?T-T-M

I don't believe they were wrong. I've never experienced anything that tells me they were wrong, more I have only experienced reaffirmations that they were right. prettykaren

What?..even their and the catholic belief that all non believers will burn in hell ???????????

Its ok Karen,..you and everyone must follow their heart and what they / we believe to be true,.wether it is true or not we will reap what we sow .

Tommy, It happens that my parents brought to me the gift of the church by baptizing me and keeping me in the faith, and as I grew up and learned about it the more I have appreciated it. I've always gone to church, to experience the presence of Jesus Christ. prettykaren

What if your parents were wrong ?
I dont mean to be disrespectful,..but ?T-T-M

I don't believe they were wrong. I've never experienced anything that tells me they were wrong, more I have only experienced reaffirmations that they were right. prettykaren

What?..even their and the catholic belief that all non believers will burn in hell ???????????T-T-M

No my parents didn't actually talk about that place, I heard it from others on the TV, etc.

My parents were very loving generous people who were great examples of what we should do as Christians. My father was a hero, bit rough on the edges, but very loving and forgiving. I learned from good examples.

1 Corinthians 11
1 Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.

Tommy, It happens that my parents brought to me the gift of the church by baptizing me and keeping me in the faith, and as I grew up and learned about it the more I have appreciated it. I've always gone to church, to experience the presence of Jesus Christ. prettykaren

What if your parents were wrong ?
I dont mean to be disrespectful,..but ?T-T-M

I don't believe they were wrong. I've never experienced anything that tells me they were wrong, more I have only experienced reaffirmations that they were right. prettykaren

What?..even their and the catholic belief that all non believers will burn in hell ???????????T-T-M

No my parents didn't actually talk about that place, I heard it from others on the TV, etc.

My parents were very loving generous people who were great examples of what we should do as Christians. My father was a hero, bit rough on the edges, but very loving and forgiving. I learned from good examples.

1 Corinthians 11
1 Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.

prettykaren

I have no doubt that your parents were wonderful people,as were my parents...

but that scripture you quoted was from Paul,..not our parents.

Tommy, It happens that my parents brought to me the gift of the church by baptizing me and keeping me in the faith, and as I grew up and learned about it the more I have appreciated it. I've always gone to church, to experience the presence of Jesus Christ. prettykaren

What if your parents were wrong ?
I dont mean to be disrespectful,..but ?T-T-M

I don't believe they were wrong. I've never experienced anything that tells me they were wrong, more I have only experienced reaffirmations that they were right. prettykaren

What?..even their and the catholic belief that all non believers will burn in hell ???????????T-T-M

No my parents didn't actually talk about that place, I heard it from others on the TV, etc.

My parents were very loving generous people who were great examples of what we should do as Christians. My father was a hero, bit rough on the edges, but very loving and forgiving. I learned from good examples.

1 Corinthians 11
1 Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.

prettykaren

I have no doubt that your parents were wonderful people,as were my parents...

but that scripture you quoted was from Paul,..not our parents.T-T-M

1 Corinthians 3:18 Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become “fools” so that you may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”; 20 and again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.” 21 So then, no more boasting about human leaders! All things are yours, 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours, 23 and you are of Christ, and Christ is of God.

Its ok Karen,..you and everyone must follow their heart and what they / we believe to be true,.wether it is true or not we will reap what we sow .T-T-M

1 Corinthians 3:18 Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become “fools” so that you may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”; 20 and again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.” 21 So then, no more boasting about human leaders! All things are yours, 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours, 23 and you are of Christ, and Christ is of God.

Kindness, fortitude and patience is a virtue.

Peace out Brother..:)

I agree my friend,..have a wonderful day / night ;-)

The only way we " are nourished spiritually and brought closer to God." is by studying His word and applying what we learn to our lives.T-T-M

Do you really believe this, that the word is the only way? Can not the things we see and do in our lives bring us closer to Jesus?prettykaren

Gods word is the way to bring us close,..then closer to Him,..it is able to cut right to our heart,.........or our pump as Paco would describe our heart ;-)T-T-M

1 Corinthians 3:16 Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?

1 Corinthians 1
1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and our brother Sosthenes,

2 To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be his holy people, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours:

3 Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Thanksgiving
1 Corinthians 1:4 I always thank my God for you because of his grace given you in Christ Jesus. 5 For in him you have been enriched in every way—with all kinds of speech and with all knowledge— 6 God thus confirming our testimony about Christ among you. 7 Therefore you do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be revealed. 8 He will also keep you firm to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 God is faithful, who has called you into fellowship with his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

So we assure we aren't complacent in our faith, we share the blood and the body of Jesus Christ as the early Apostles did.

The only way we " are nourished spiritually and brought closer to God." is by studying His word and applying what we learn to our lives.T-T-M

Recieving Jesus in the eucharist at mass is applying what we learn from the scriptures.

The only way we " are nourished spiritually and brought closer to God." is by studying His word and applying what we learn to our lives.T-T-M

Do you really believe this, that the word is the only way? Can not the things we see and do in our lives bring us closer to Jesus?prettykaren

Gods word is the way to bring us close,..then closer to Him,..it is able to cut right to our heart,.........or our pump as Paco would describe our heart ;-)T-T-M

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What if we read the word, and not live life as Christ taught us through His word? As in the scriptures I mentioned above? Aren't we supposed to try and live the holiest lives possible as we are temples of God?

1 Corinthians 3:16 Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?

1 Corinthians 1
1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and our brother Sosthenes,

2 To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be his holy people, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours:

3 Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Thanksgiving
1 Corinthians 1:4 I always thank my God for you because of his grace given you in Christ Jesus. 5 For in him you have been enriched in every way—with all kinds of speech and with all knowledge— 6 God thus confirming our testimony about Christ among you. 7 Therefore you do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be revealed. 8 He will also keep you firm to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 God is faithful, who has called you into fellowship with his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

So we assure we aren't complacent in our faith, we share the blood and the body of Jesus Christ as the early Apostles did.

prettykaren

Our Heavenly Father does not look for perfection in us unlike some fleshly fathers do in their children,.God knows our weaknesses and how much physically and mentally we are able to apply ourselves,..we could share in the blood and body of Jesus every 5 minutes,but doing so proves nothing,..worshiping God in spirit and truth proves everything,...how can we worship God in spirit and truth if we cannot get a handle on what hell truly is ?

The only way we " are nourished spiritually and brought closer to God." is by studying His word and applying what we learn to our lives.T-T-M

Recieving Jesus in the eucharist at mass is applying what we learn from the scriptures. prettykaren